I'm surprised there has been no mention of the Stanford rape trial and sentence on all nurses. I'm opening up the discussion as I feel it pertains to us in many ways. One as people who may have been victims or know others who have been victims of sexual violence and two as nurses that have taken care of others in this situation, whether directly in ER or a patient suffering from PTSD with other health problems as well.
I applaud the survivor's bravery and her impact statement that has gone public. I hope this will comfort other survivors, but even more I hope this will discourage rape in general. Campus rapes are common and rapes at frats are in the news frequently. Once again a college athlete got off with just a slap on the wrist, although I don't think he counted on all the negative publicity this case has garnered.
What disturbs me the most is the letters of the parents to the judge. The father's don't punish him for 20 minutes of action. Then the mother's letter, who by the way is a nurse for gynecological surgeries and in the past as a pediatric nurse, who had not one iota of empathy for the victim. Her letter simply astonished me. I can't believe as a woman, as a nurse, as a mother of a daughter she had no empathy for the victim! This troubles me the most! I imagine in her years as a nurse she must have taken care of a rape victim and her total lack of empathy for the victim disturbs me greatly!
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Another interesting read-Jezebel Nation vs. Bro Culture
It really bothers me, no, it makes me sick, that we continue to hear "Of course, no one should be raped, BUT...." and then it all gets dumped back on the victim. I'm not sure that I would have had the strength as a young woman to report if I was raped. I give the Stanford survivor a tremendous amount of credit and respect. I hope that she finds peace and healing, and all other victims do, too.
Did anyone here say that how a person dresses EXCUSES a rapist?
You said a woman who is beautiful and dressed "alluringly" can cause a man to "lose control" and become a rapist. That is NONSENSE. Rapists do not rape people because they were so incredibly attractive that the rapist loses control of himself. Rape is NOT ABOUT SEXUAL ATTRACTION. For the tenth time.
Biology means women do the conceiving and growing of babies, give birth (a tremendous feat), do most of the care of newborns, as well as the lion's share of running a household and making a home for families, at least that is my experience.
Caring for the family and running a household is a social construct; it's not about biology.
I am truly sorry for what you experienced. He sounds like a total sicko.
Did anyone here say that how a person dresses EXCUSES a rapist? I know I specifically said that a woman's condition (drunk, passed out drunk, stoned, dressed provocatively, being flirtatious, whatever) does not excuse a rapist's behavior.
I'm going to take just one comment of yours to try to show you why people are reading your posts the way they are.
But in general, rape and the like can be prevented if women behave more sensibly and conservatively and avoid getting drunk, and avoid going to places where they are more likely to run into men who don't respect women, and avoid going off alone with men.
it was pretty clear, with the paranthetics and all
Okay, it was CLEARLY a poor analogy. A river is natural. A river flooding its banks is a natural force of nature. Comparing rape to a river is like saying rape is a natural reaction of man.
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I actually read what you said, and while you didn't come out and SAY that someone deserved to be raped if they didn't use sound judgement, what you DID say implied it rather strongly. Here is one particularly offensive portion of what you've written:
But in general, rape and the like can be prevented if women behave more sensibly and conservatively and avoid getting drunk, and avoid going to places where they are more likely to run into men who don't respect women, and avoid going off alone with men.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I am truly sorry for what you experienced. He sounds like a total sicko.
Did anyone here say that how a person dresses EXCUSES a rapist? I know I specifically said that a woman's condition (drunk, passed out drunk, stoned, dressed provocatively, being flirtatious, whatever) does not excuse a rapist's behavior.
But you keep saying that rape can be prevented if the victims just behave in a the manner you prescribe. It's not ABOUT how the victims behave; it's about how the rapists behave. The more you say, the less you seem to get that.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Biology means women do the conceiving and growing of babies, give birth (a tremendous feat), do most of the care of newborns, as well as the lion's share of running a household and making a home for families, at least that is my experience. Because of these facts, it seems to me that it is more difficult for a woman to succeed in the world of work. Now read this carefully. I DID NOT say that women can't or don't succeed outside the home. I said I think it's more difficult.
These days, there are a great many women in probably most if not all fields of work in the US. Some work two jobs to make ends meet, some just one, and they still make homes for their families. I admire this.
Misstep = being alone with a woman, not doing anything wrong or out of line, just giving her an opportunity to make a false accusation. And don't tell me it never or rarely happens or how insignificant it is for that to happen.
maybe being accused of misleading a woman;
Doctor was accused of touching a teen's breast improperly. Chaperones, thank God he had two, said he was listening to her heart under and around left breast, in a proper fashion. Misperception = false charge, investigated by the state, cleared.
Oh, good Lord! You're still harping on that false accusation of rape business.
As much garbage as actual rape victims have to put up with when they report a rape, precious few women are going to report a rape that didn't actually happen. Yes, there have been a few instances where that happened, but it's rare. It's rare compared to the rapes that actually get reported. Then when you consider how many rapes don't get reported because the victim doesn't want to put up with the nasty questions and insinuations from everyone she knows AND the rapists lawyers, false reports are a miniscule percentage.
You said a woman who is beautiful and dressed "alluringly" can cause a man to "lose control" and become a rapist. That is NONSENSE. Rapists do not rape people because they were so incredibly attractive that the rapist loses control of himself. Rape is NOT ABOUT SEXUAL ATTRACTION. For the tenth time.
The kicker for me was part of post 191:
Your view is that Brock Turner is solely at fault for forcing himself on the raped woman. And he may be.
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OK, laugh at me and flame away.
He said a thrice-convicted sex offender MAY be responsible for his own actions. There were two people behind that dumpster, so if korky doesn't believe the rapist was responsible for his actions, there's only one other possibility.
He said a thrice-convicted sex offender MAY be responsible for his own actions. There were two people behind that dumpster, so if korky doesn't believe the rapist was responsible for his actions, there's only one other possibility.
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it was pretty clear, with the paranthetics and all