Frontliner, 11 year veteran RN, in the Emergency Department. For the last year and a half, I have been exposed to so much Covid I feel I'm so blessed. I have had it splash in my face, eyes and mouth. I have taken antibody test and just can't seem to test pos for any antibodies ... which rules me out for an asymptomatic "Super Spreader!" If my employer mandates the Covid Vaccine I will be looking for RN jobs that do not require the vaccine. I'm employed in North Carolina but willing to travel for Jobs that do not require the Vaccine. It's my body and my choice. This thread is for links and discussion of RN jobs that do not require the Covid vaccine. Stay safe all! You could die tomorrow from a drunk driver. So don't fear death, I do not, and you should not either. Fear what happens after death.
19 hours ago, Horseshoe said:Boston, do mind sharing a link to this graphic. I might want to use it in another forum. Thanks!
On 10/17/2021 at 2:29 PM, guest1163268 said:You will also agree to pay the bills yourself instead of your insurance provider
Actually, if I pay my insurance premiums then my insurance can cover my bills. Maybe you're on Medicaid or something so you might not understand paying insurance premiums and co-pays.
9 hours ago, renabee13 said:Actually, if I pay my insurance premiums then my insurance can cover my bills. Maybe you're on Medicaid or something so you might not understand paying insurance premiums and co-pays.
Do you think that insurers will continue to pay the costs of vaccine preventable diseases? Your remark leaves the impression that you may believe that insurers don't refuse to pay for care, even when premiums are paid.
9 hours ago, renabee13 said:Actually, if I pay my insurance premiums then my insurance can cover my bills. Maybe you're on Medicaid or something so you might not understand paying insurance premiums and co-pays.
Your insurance can cover your bills because of everyone else who's paying premiums into the plan as well as your premiums, that's the purpose of insurance.
I don't have any problem with cost-sharing with a group of people who's health issues result from less-than-perfect living, I think that's reasonable. But when people choose to accept the high risk of extreme costs relative how easily those costs can be avoided it does make a valid argument for putting the unvaccinated into their own risk group.
13 hours ago, MunoRN said:Your insurance can cover your bills because of everyone else who's paying premiums into the plan as well as your premiums, that's the purpose of insurance.
I don't have any problem with cost-sharing with a group of people who's health issues result from less-than-perfect living, I think that's reasonable. But when people choose to accept the high risk of extreme costs relative how easily those costs can be avoided it does make a valid argument for putting the unvaccinated into their own risk group.
The situation compares to folks that continue doing dangerous mountaineering expeditions and expect the public to pay for their rescues.
44 minutes ago, subee said:The situation compares to folks that continue doing dangerous mountaineering expeditions and expect the public to pay for their rescues.
QuoteThe National Park Service (NPS) is examining approaches to recover more of the cost of the mountaineering program in Denali National Park and Preserve. Currently, each climber of Mt. McKinley and Mt. Foraker pays a cost recovery special mountaineering use fee of $200. Despite an increase in the fee from $150 to $200 in 2005, current fee revenue only covers 17% of the cost of this specialized program; the fee initially covered approximately 30% of the cost. Climber numbers since 2002 have remained essentially flat, as has NPS staffing. Excluding costs of the high altitude helicopter portion of the program, operational expenses have gone up significantly, due mainly to inflation.
Special Mountaineering Use Fee
The tourists here created so much expense related to unwise and unsafe travel to the famous school bus that the Borough removed and relocated the old vehicle. Soon it will be situated in a spot where anyone can look at it. That's so much cheaper for those of us who live here.
When enough of the general public behave in unsafe ways, laws and regulations are created to inspire people to moderate themselves for the benefit of society and country. Currently the belligerent anti-mask and antivax attitudes are unsafe and very expensive...just like the tourists risking their lives to hike in remote Alaska to visit a place where a young man died were unsafe and expensive. Currently, the antivaxxers can only whine about employer mandates. Soon they may get to whine about health insurance fees and denials of care related to preventative measures...sort of like the fees paid to go climb a mountain in a national park might help to offset some expense related to rescue when your gamble doesn't pay off.
1 hour ago, subee said:The situation compares to folks that continue doing dangerous mountaineering expeditions and expect the public to pay for their rescues.
And yet the tax-pay or dollars keep being utilized. No one says “just leave that guy on the cliff after all he got himself into that mess……..”
16 hours ago, renabee13 said:
Actually, if I pay my insurance premiums then my insurance can cover my bills. Maybe you're on Medicaid or something so you might not understand paying insurance premiums and co-pays.
No actually, the rest of us pay in higher premiums and costs when we continue to cover your bills for COVID as they may apply. I agree with the other poster. It may come down to your being placed in a higher risk group and paying more for your coverage. Sounds fair to me.
2 hours ago, hppygr8ful said:And yet the tax-pay or dollars keep being utilized. No one says “just leave that guy on the cliff after all he got himself into that mess……..”
To be honest, some people DO say that. The beauty of democracy is that those minority voices don't generally dictate public policy.
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Doesn't look like we're going to get the reproduction rate of Covid under Ro1. Woulda been nice. So called "herd immunity" doesn't actually occur until the disease stops spreading, which is to say; when the transmission rate drops under Ro1 through whatever means this is accomplished.
If you want to talk about "stupid and mean" you need to be talking about the country with 4% of the worlds population and 54% of its Covid cases in spite of ready access to a vaccine which is up to 95% effective within 2 weeks of administration, for most humans, declining at varying rates over a two to three month period.
"The basic reproduction number is defined as the number of cases that are expected to occur on average in a homogeneous population as a result of infection by a single individual, when the population is susceptible at the start of an epidemic, before widespread immunity starts to develop and before any attempt has been made at immunization. So if one person develops the infection and passes it on to two others, the R0 is 2.
If the average R0 in the population is greater than 1, the infection will spread exponentially. If R0 is less than 1, the infection will spread only slowly, and it will eventually die out. The higher the value of R0, the faster an epidemic will progress.
R0 is estimated from data collected in the field and entered into mathematical models. The estimated value depends on the model used and the data that inform it."
https://www.mdedge.com/cardiology/article/247908/coronavirus-updates/unvaccinated-people-likely-catch-covid-repeatedly?utm_medium=email&sso=true&utm_content=The unvaccinated likely to catch COVID repeatedly&uac=256755ST&utm_source=NewsMDedgeeNL103021F&ecd=wnl_eveningnews_211030_mdedge_9am&fbclid=IwAR01WKuKAv3KfuTB9zvFPosquv5aUWj1ZVimgOa_To5kaquY4KNBW0fO1ow