RN Jobs That Do Not Require Covid Vaccine

MunoRN, RN · Oct 26, 2021

1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

This is the biggest misinformation from your side: "get vaxxed or you are risking infecting a bunch of people." This is simply false. After vaccination you are just as likely to spread the virus (possibly a slight decrease since once infected you will likely recover quicker), assuming you carry it, as anyone else. getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread. This has been stated by the CDC (thus the new recommendation to wear mask even after getting vaccinated). The only benefit I've seen specifically stated by official sources is limiting severe symptoms. This is not measles. This is not polio. The vaccine for this will not irradicate the virus like in the former cases. It mutates. Why are you acting like those who don't agree with you don't know anything? Try listening to the other side for once. You might actually learn something. The risk of vaccine injury is low. Correct. But it's REAL and serious. You dismiss it. Those who have suffered a serious vaccine injury don't matter to you, which is interesting. My risk of covid severe symptoms is low. I may never get infected. That means I have the potential to have ZERO risk. But if I get the vaccine, my risk is artificially higher. Thus the risk benefit in my case is in favor of no vaccine. You do you, I'll do me, we'll see what happens. I have every right to refuse any medical procedure. Period. That is the heart of medical ethics and it still applies whether you like it or not.

That's an impressive array of misinformation all packed into one post.

The CDC has never stated that being vaccinated does not limit a person's likelihood of spreading Covid.

What a number of sources, including the CDC, have pointed out is that both the vaccinated and unvaccinated can have a similar peak level of viral load, which is correct.

The difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated is how long that period of active replication lasts. There are a number of studies but overall they find that a vaccinated person has a significant viral load for around 3 days, but the unvaccinated have transmissible levels of virus replication for between 10 and 15 days. That's a difference in potential for transmission that is 3-4 times that of a vaccinated person, not a "slight" difference.

While risk profiles vary, there is no risk group for whom the risk posed by Covid is less than the risk posed by vaccination. Even the lowest risk groups are accepting a risk of harm that is many times that of vaccination by declining to get vaccinated. If you want to say you're willing to take on that increased risk by not being vaccinated then that's fine. But it's not acceptable to spread the idea that someone may be at less risk by being unvaccinated. Our ICU is full of unvaccinated people, for the most part in their 30's, who said they didn't get vaccinated because they heard the same misinformation you are spreading. While they didn't hear it directly from you personally, I don't think it's valid to say there's no connection between you and the harm that results from your actions.

Glycerine82, LPN · Oct 26, 2021

hopefully you find something that lets you work from home with zero exposure to patients.

Tomascz, ASN, RN · Oct 26, 2021

2 initial 21+ days apart (turns out now not to have been optimum) and a booster 6 mo's later.

toomuchbaloney · Oct 26, 2021

12 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Are you are suggesting the virus is equally deadly and dangerous for all people including those with very little risk?

Yikes! No wonder you are confused about the benefits of vaccination if that's representative of your reading comprehension.

toomuchbaloney · Oct 26, 2021

14 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

referencing. I'm generally referencing. So many posts, tweets, videos, etc are being censored and erased. Somebody puts up an anecdotal reports online or many of them, or government panels where people report vaccine injury. These reports are dismissed by those who refuse to accept anything not from official sources.

So you are whining about "experts" having their opinions vetted by the social media outlets? Really? Is that the specific complaint or is that a generalized sense of victimization?

You aren't qualified or equipped to analyze VAERS data.

toomuchbaloney · Oct 26, 2021

10 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread. This has been stated by the CDC (thus the new recommendation to wear mask even after getting vaccinated).

You are wrong.

Vaccination reduces spread of the virus.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Oct 26, 2021

17 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Can you provide an example of that, please?

The viral load is not the same comparing vaccinated and infected to unvaccinated and infected. No person contended that vaccination halted the possibility of transmission, that's a misrepresentation of facts.

You are questioning the concept of vaccine mediated herd immunity. Here's a nice discussion. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6433118/

What, specifically, are you referencing?

Forget it. You are talking to the wall. This person has no idea. Save your sanity.

toomuchbaloney · Oct 26, 2021

4 hours ago, subee said:

Forget it. You are talking to the wall. This person has no idea. Save your sanity.

Yep. That account has been all over the map of antivaxx sentiment. It's important to continue to push back against the nonsense shared by such members. The member I quoted started out in these threads stating that they had no idea where to look for credible information on covid and vaccines and now they act like they are an authority on the topic. It's stunning how social media has elevated flawed opinion to the status of respected and expert opinion in the minds of lazy intellects.

macawake, MSN · Oct 26, 2021

On 10/25/2021 at 9:55 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Thanks for demonstrating what I complain about. I don't even need to try anymore. LOL.

You posted that nurses like myself who promote vaccines are people who also abuse their patients (threatening patients with restraints for no other reason than the patient being rude to the nurse), and you expected that I react in a nice and polite manner? That’s not going to happen.

On 10/25/2021 at 9:55 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Cause anything in a respected, peer reviewed journal can be trusted right? "Trust the science" is the last thing anyone should ever do. If science requires trust, how is that different from a religion that requires faith? Science is valid because it can consistently demonstrate it's claims with full transparency. I have never trusted science. No one should. That's exactly opposite of what we should do. Science that cannot be questioned, tested, verified, and possibly falsified should be immediately dismissed.

"Trust the science" is BS and I hope you knew that already.

When you replied to my post did you happen to notice that I didn’t even once use the phrase ”trust the science” (implying blind trust). I certainly never said that science can’t or shouldn’t be questioned.

This is what I actually said:

On 10/25/2021 at 8:55 PM, macawake said:

There isn’t a ”narrative”. There is science and then there is unverified and unsupported miscellaneous crap. When you post ”miscellaneous unverified and unsupported crap”, you will get called out on it.

I have no idea what prompted your ”trust rant”. We certainly can question science, but the criticism needs to be based on something factual, not just feelings and apprehension.

On 10/25/2021 at 9:55 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In the case of covid, if the science says the vaccine stops transmission, we expect to see an obvious negative correlation with vaccine rates and cases. If not, the science is wrong. If the science says a vaccine only decreases the symptoms, yet calls it a vaccine when "prophylactic" would be a more accurate term for that treatment, the science is wrong. If the science says the vaccine stops serious symptoms, we should see an obvious, consistent negative correlation between hospitalization and vaccine rates. If we don't, the science is wrong.

I’m not aware that anyone anywhere has ever claimed that the Covid vaccines confer sterilizing immunity? Have you seen that claim made by any credible medical authority?

The vaccines do significantly reduce the risk of serious illness requiring hospitalization and they significantly reduce the risk of dying from a Covid infection. Are you suggesting that we’re not seeing that?

When I looked at the statistics regarding Covid hospitalization (regular Covid floors and ICUs) for the hospital I work in and its sister hospital about a month ago, 92% of our patients in the previous three month period were unvaccinated. 8% were vaccinated. Similar numbers have been reported from many different countries. Do you think that happened by chance and that it’s not the protective effects of the vaccines we’re seeing?

allnurses Guide · Oct 27, 2021

On 10/25/2021 at 10:01 PM, 10GaugeNeedles said:

This is the biggest misinformation from your side: "get vaxxed or you are risking infecting a bunch of people." This is simply false. After vaccination you are just as likely to spread the virus (possibly a slight decrease since once infected you will likely recover quicker), assuming you carry it, as anyone else. getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread. Getting vaccinated does not limit spread.

“Unvaccinated people remain the greatest concern: The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated people who are much more likely to get infected, and therefore transmit the virus. Fully vaccinated people get COVID-19 (known as breakthrough infections) less often than unvaccinated people.”

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/variants/delta-variant.html

Breakthrough cases account for only a small percentage of the positive cases, and an even small number of positive cases relative to the vaccinated population. Take for example PA since 1/1/2021: “94 percent of reported COVID-19 cases were in unvaccinated or not fully vaccinated people. Among a total of 639,729 positive cases, there have been 35,389, or six percent, identified post-vaccination cases. Cumulative case incidence among the unvaccinated and not fully vaccinated was 7.1 times as high as the case incidence among the fully vaccinated”.

https://www.media.pa.gov/pages/health-details.aspx?newsid=1595

Or Washington state where unvaccinated people aged 12-34 year olds are 6 times more likely to test positive compared to fully vaccinated people of the same age.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

Or Minnesota where breakthrough infections account for 1.56% of positive cases.

https://www.health.state.mn.us/diseases/coronavirus/stats/vbt.html

allnurses Guide · Oct 30, 2021

macawake, MSN · Oct 31, 2021

A vaccine that offers 95% or 86%, or any similar high number of protection against hospitalization and death is very much worth taking. And having a shorter period of time when an infected person is likely infectious, also means a lot when you look at the level of ongoing community transmission on a population level.