Coronavirus Second Wave?

[sirI]

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The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.

Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...

This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.

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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.

The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.

Read in its entirety: China races to contain a second wave of coronavirus cases in Beijing

Do you think this will become increasingly problematic?

With the re-opening of the U.S., are we facing a second wave?

[NormaSaline]

On 6/18/2020 at 3:45 PM, pixierose said:

You know what’s getting bloody old?

Being told I should be sitting at home because I’m one of the vulnerable populations so “the rest of society” can get moving. Meanwhile, if other people would just wear their damn masks and maintain social distancing, the battle is halfway won right there. Reading stories about reporters getting booted off planes because “I have rights!” to the president and Vice President setting the most ridiculous examples, to the couple I saw at Target yesterday loudly proclaiming “its fine!” when not social distancing in the line and getting right up into someone’s booty space ... knock it off!

(insert someone’s comment about the protesters et al - I’m waiting)

Also, it’s also getting old using the same N95 at work for the last 7 days, but that’s an entirely different thread.

Let's meet over zoom for coffee! But I had to give it up because - anxiety.

Seriously, I could not agree more, and the absolute worst are the chin mask jockeys. At work. In medical facilities. And the managers just (cue Dionne Warwick) walk on by.

[NormaSaline]

On 6/18/2020 at 7:19 AM, adventure_rn said:

I don't think it's strictly a 'vulnerable population' problem, but also a high-population-density problem (hence super-spreading events in food markets, and the resurgence in Tokyo and Beijing).

The problem with fully lifting covid restrictions is that the parts of America with the greatest economic centers (NYC, SF) are also the most-densely populated. If we just say, "to heck with prevention measures," those cities will be hit the hardest.

Yes, the fact that big cities are economic centers means that shutting them down hurts the economy tremendously. The flip side is that by letting the disease run rampant in major cities, we don't know to what extent it will affect those cities, and consequently their economies/production. If NYC and SF are decimated by the disease, that probably won't be good for the US economy either, right?

I fully agree that it would be impossible to shut down until there's a vaccine (is anybody even arguing in favor of that?), but surely there's a compromise between strict lock-down and a total free-for-all.

Meanwhile, I'm seriously ticked off at the bleak Federal Reserve outlook report--just as the market was rebounding, they all but announced that people should pull their money out of the market, SMH. ?

Interesting post, but SF and NYC are in different positions. Meaning, SF seems (I say seems) to have positioned itself far better than NYC which delayed in acting, a delay that caused a lot of misery - not to mention the mayor and governor fighting constantly. SF enacted stricter protocols and what's more, it seems people actually have buy- in to follow them. Shocker. Imagine that. Back East in the mid Atlantic, I can't.

There should be laws to mask. It's pretty much the last tool in our toolbox.

[Emergent, RN]

I saw a terribly unhealthy appearing man at the supermarket yesterday. He was terribly thin, and had a Foley bag in full view (with lots of urine in it), hooked up on his pants at his waist.

He went into the store without a mask. I'm thinking, this is a person who should wear a mask. I do wear masks in the store out of consideration for other people's feelings and health.

I wonder why I see people who look so unhealthy are not wearing masks. It seems that people should take responsibility for their own health better. I saw a very overweight fellow on a mobility scooter, on oxygen, without a mask. He should be wearing the best mask available, because if he gets covid-19 he very well might die of it.

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

2 hours ago, Emergent said:

I saw a terribly unhealthy appearing man at the supermarket yesterday. He was terribly thin, and had a Foley bag in full view (with lots of urine in it), hooked up on his pants at his waist.

He went into the store without a mask. I'm thinking, this is a person who should wear a mask. I do wear masks in the store out of consideration for other people's feelings and health.

I wonder why I see people who look so unhealthy are not wearing masks. It seems that people should take responsibility for their own health better. I saw a very overweight fellow on a mobility scooter, on oxygen, without a mask. He should be wearing the best mask available, because if he gets covid-19 he very well might die of it.

Thank you for being considerate of other's health!

Are you aware that wearing a mask would not protect that man? It would help protect others from his possible bacteria or virus. And other people wearing masks could protest him from being infected by a person who seems to be healthy.

[londonflo]

On 6/19/2020 at 7:37 AM, A Hit With The Ladies said:

BTW, we have always worn pants.

No, men's (and women's) style of dressing changes periodically. He wore a codpiece for a quick trip to the privy toilet.

If anyone wants to read about real self-sacrifice, the story of the English town of Eyam shows what being selfless really means. It is also a story of where people obeying a quarantine in1660 lost many family members but saved all of the surrounding village residents.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2020/03/02/bubonic-plague-coronavirus-quarantine-eyam-england/

Do you ever get tired of saying the same thing when faced with different questions?

I hope your parents never see your comments they are expendable so that you can flaunt any kind of public health directions and

[shiftingtides]

On 6/20/2020 at 6:58 AM, adventure_rn said:

In the upper right hand corner, click on account, choose account settings (drop down menu), choose account options (button at top of screen), then choose ignore users (drop down menu).

It is so tremendously satisfying. You’re welcome. ?

You are my hero! Thank you.

[Wuzzie]

Welp, here we are. My state is now all but open and the numbers are rising in such a way that the slightly increased testing being done cannot explain away. We have doubled our daily positives and I expect that it's going to get worse. Not to say that I disagree with the re-opening because I don't, it needed to be done, but I'd like to think this will quiet the naysayers who didn't think the shutdown made a difference. Fortunately we are seeing drops in hospitalizations and deaths... for now. I think that will likely change.

Not a second wave for sure, just a glimpse of what might have happened if we had not taken precautions early on.

[Workitinurfava, BSN, RN]

Greed and lack of a real concern for people is what has helped covid spread, among other things I won't go into. Some of the practices we use today to stop the spread should have long been considered years ago, way before covid came into existence. Some places need to remain shut down until we learn that packing people into small spaces for exuberant profit and people not practicing respect and concern for one another needs to be fixed.

[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

16 minutes ago, Workitinurfava said:

Some of the practices we use today to stop the spread should have long been considered years ago, way before covid came into existence. Some places need to remain shut down until we learn that packing people into small spaces for exuberant profit and people not practicing respect and concern for one another needs to be fixed

Was this in the 13th century, when our ancestors almost certainly lived and died on farms, weren't dependent on a service-sector economy to maintain their standard of living, and grew their own food vis-à-vis subsistence agriculture? Was this when the world had a lot less people altogether, and social distancing was quite possible even in the 'metropolitan areas' of the time?

Because all of that would be impractical in the modern era, let alone in the 21st century.

[londonflo]

1 hour ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Was this when the world had a lot less people altogether, and social distancing was quite possible even in the 'metropolitan areas' of the time?

In the 1200's (13th century you cited) the rising population of England brought a surprising degree of movement, politically, geographically and socially. Church gatherings were frequent. Market day was a necessity enjoyed at all. The event diversified the lives of the farmers and they sold their butter, eggs and cheese. Markets could be organized as frequently as every weekend and holiday.

Great annual fairs lasted several days and were frequented by all classes of the population. The fairs were necessary for trade.

[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

10 hours ago, londonflo said:

In the 1200's (13th century you cited) the rising population of England brought a surprising degree of movement, politically, geographically and socially. Church gatherings were frequent. Market day was a necessity enjoyed at all. The event diversified the lives of the farmers and they sold their butter, eggs and cheese. Markets could be organized as frequently as every weekend and holiday.

Great annual fairs lasted several days and were frequented by all classes of the population. The fairs were necessary for trade.

Yeah but back then the overwhelming majority of people could survive just fine without trade and service-sector activities. Try telling everyone in Manhattan they've gotta grow their own crops and hide in their huts because of some plague. LOL. This social distancing stuff is nonsense in the modern era.

[NormaSaline]

On 6/22/2020 at 2:12 AM, herring_RN said:

Thank you for being considerate of other's health!

Are you aware that wearing a mask would not protect that man? It would help protect others from his possible bacteria or virus. And other people wearing masks could protest him from being infected by a person who seems to be healthy.

If the sick man were wearing a KN95 which are plentiful and sold at places like hardware stores, he would be protecting himself to a good extent. Another kind of mask would give him more protection than no mask. Maybe not much more, but some.