The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.
Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...
This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.
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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.
The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.
Many answers and alternatives are open, depending on the location. Theres no one right answer. About half of US is in medium to serious problems and the other half the virus is not bad, not scary, based on the map. It would help if posters said where they are from, in general because this biases the view. I live in a bad hit area...and I am sick of thinking about it, literally.
The second wave will come. But the issue is- do we save those who have lived a long life or do we sacrifice the future of our children? This may sound dramatic but there are many things to consider.
In my state and it seems in most states the majority of deaths are those over 80 years old. I'm sorry, but when you are that old, time and health are no guarantee. So many of these folks are non compliant anyway. I saw a lady on oxygen walking around the grocery store without a mask. Really?!
Now my neice who is 4 became terrified of strangers during quarantine. I've heard other children have severe behavioral problems, fear, and anxiety as well. In terms of education, they are talking about these kids going every other day or half days. No sports, no restrooms or drinking fountains, no science labs. Apparently teachers can't get within 6 ft. How exactly is one supposed to manage a class of first graders like that?
We're going to create a hugely uneducated young population. Not only that but we'll see a baby boom from this. So many people can't afford food or housing and are uninsured because they don't have jobs. Where is all this money going to come from?
It's not just about Covid-19 itself, it's about the potentially catastrophic effect our decisions will make long term.
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On 6/19/2020 at 4:02 PM, blondenurse12 said:
The second wave will come. But the issue is- do we save those who have lived a long life or do we sacrifice the future of our children? This may sound dramatic but there are many things to consider.
In my state and it seems in most states the majority of deaths are those over 80 years old. I'm sorry, but when you are that old, time and health are no guarantee. So many of these folks are non compliant anyway. I saw a lady on oxygen walking around the grocery store without a mask. Really?!
Now my neice who is 4 became terrified of strangers during quarantine. I've heard other children have severe behavioral problems, fear, and anxiety as well. In terms of education, they are talking about these kids going every other day or half days. No sports, no restrooms or drinking fountains, no science labs. Apparently teachers can't get within 6 ft. How exactly is one supposed to manage a class of first graders like that?
We're going to create a hugely uneducated young population. Not only that but we'll see a baby boom from this. So many people can't afford food or housing and are uninsured because they don't have jobs. Where is all this money going to come from?
It's not just about Covid-19 itself, it's about the potentially catastrophic effect our decisions will make long term.
Why do you think that those are the only choices facing this country's management of this pandemic? Please articulate why it is either save the elders or sacrifice the future of our children...nothing else, no other possibilities. How will my death potentially save my grandchildren's future?
On 6/19/2020 at 4:28 PM, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Just go to Anthony Fauci's house. He's got all the food and money to cover us all ??
Oh yeah. That's why all the Wall St. guys are leaving to take a government job. Now, back to your ridiculous idea of just let the virus flame through, is there any problem with the number of healthcare workers who would die? What's your number of acceptability? Early studies are indicating that people aren't developing antibodies to Covid as with other viruses and when they do, they only lasted 2 to 3 months. When "novel" is attached to the name, that's an indication that the world isn't going to be the same after the virus has done what it does best. Before you spout off theories you learned from Trump rallies, read the literature throughout the week. Have you ever even taken care of a Covid patient in the ER or the ICU? You seem to be a little out of touch. And I'm really sorry you had to go so long without a haircut or a Cosmopolitan, but you are probably able to do those things by now.
I think the virus is here to stay. We, in the first world, have gotten used to such a high standard a care that it shocks us to see vulnerable people taken out by a virus.
Of course, throughout human history people have died of diseases. This virus would probably have gone unnoticed 100 yrs ago. Old people dying was not considered abnormal back then.
I think that the population of the United States is generally in bad shape. The level of health is poor. People don't exercise enough and eat so much processed food, leading to metabolic disorders and obesity. These conditions leave our population very vulnerable to this covid-19.
I don't think it's practical to shut down economies until a vaccine is developed. The plan to even reopen the schools here in Washington state is ridiculous. The vaccine could be years down the road.
I think that we need to get out of our first world bubble and accept the fact that we live in a world with no guarantees. Vulnerable people need to take responsibility for their own health. Those are the people who should be on pandemic unemployment. Meanwhile, don't destroy the economy that we all rely on for our livelihoods. Let herd immunity begin sooner rather than later.
I'm not sure we'll ever get herd immunity. Places that have already been decimated like Italy and New York or had negligent policies like Sweden have shockingly low rates of antibody development, and are nowhere near H.I., though I fully understand there are other equally valid ways to develop immunity that don't involve antibodies (but aren't mentioned much). The countries that have been successful so far (Thailand, Vietnam, New Zealand, Korea, among others) decidedly did not take the course of letting herd immunity begin sooner. Quite the opposite. Their people were united and their policies were strict. Not perfect, but all in all they are in a lot happier position now. We here in the dumbest country on earth struggle and are trapped in this hell situation and now we are all re-opening and guess what? It's only going to get worse! As if it could. Maybe not for New York, maybe maybe not.
The absolute worst of both worlds. Dumb, dumber, dumbest.
From the outset I said that since we do poorly at public health (merrily starving our local health depts of funds year after year) it will all come down to the state of our individual health. Uh, yeah.
As far as sequestering the vulnerable - makes sense on paper. But what do people do when they're stuck at home? Eat. Usually processed carbohydrates.
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A false dichotomy. The economy will be just fine without the masks. As it was before this Corona.