Coronavirus Second Wave?

[sirI]

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The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.

Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...

This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.

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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.

The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.

Read in its entirety: China races to contain a second wave of coronavirus cases in Beijing

Do you think this will become increasingly problematic?

With the re-opening of the U.S., are we facing a second wave?

[Emergent, RN]

Throwing around the grandma killer card is getting old. Grandma should wear an N-95 mask when she's out and about, not expect society to come to a halt for her.

[toomuchbaloney]

26 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Throwing around the grandma killer card is getting old. Grandma should wear an N-95 mask when she's out and about, not expect society to come to a halt for her.

The best remedy for that is for people to stop tossing about the type of thinking which devalues the lives of any group of people below another. That nonsense gets "old" too. Using hyperbole to justify it is bold.

[pixierose, BSN, RN]

44 minutes ago, Emergent said:

Throwing around the grandma killer card is getting old. Grandma should wear an N-95 mask when she's out and about, not expect society to come to a halt for her.

You know what’s getting bloody old?

Being told I should be sitting at home because I’m one of the vulnerable populations so “the rest of society” can get moving. Meanwhile, if other people would just wear their damn masks and maintain social distancing, the battle is halfway won right there. Reading stories about reporters getting booted off planes because “I have rights!” to the president and Vice President setting the most ridiculous examples, to the couple I saw at Target yesterday loudly proclaiming “its fine!” when not social distancing in the line and getting right up into someone’s booty space ... knock it off!

(insert someone’s comment about the protesters et al - I’m waiting)

Also, it’s also getting old using the same N95 at work for the last 7 days, but that’s an entirely different thread.

[shiftingtides]

In related news, how does one ignore a user on AN?

[GrumpyRN, NP]

1 hour ago, Emergent said:

Throwing around the grandma killer card is getting old. Grandma should wear an N-95 mask when she's out and about, not expect society to come to a halt for her.

I was going to ask if that's the same N95 masks that the front-line workers can't get, never mind grandma, but previous posters have done the work for me.

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

On 6/18/2020 at 11:46 AM, Emergent said:

Throwing around the grandma killer card is getting old. Grandma should wear an N-95 mask when she's out and about, not expect society to come to a halt for her.

I'm very glad that where I live people wear a mask when out. Here our neighbors, some of whom are young and single are considerate. Like most nurses I've saved lives at work, and by calling 911 from a science fiction convention saved a man who was in denial and having an MI.

I tell friends, neighbors, and store employees, "Thank You"! and tell them they could be preventing deaths by obeying the mayor by wearing a mask.

One young body builder down the street, who works on a hospital "Lift Team" tested positive last month and moved into the garage until he tested negative. He is glad to be back at work.He has three roommates who tested negative twice. I tell him he probably saved lives by staying home. He and his roommates always wear a mask, even when just putting bicycles and surfboards in their racks. The ER doc, who is married to a woman who was 18 months old when we bought this house convinced his cousin to always wear a mask when out.

It is sad that so many would rather I die than simply wear a mask or stay far away from me. And glad that I don't know those people.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger has left his go-to workout spot Gold's Gym because they don't require face masks

After Arnold Schwarzenegger learned his go-to workout spot Gold's Gym wasn't requiring that members wear face masks, the former professional bodybuilder and The Terminator actor made it clear he won't be back...

https://www.MSN.com/en-us/health/fitness/arnold-schwarzenegger-has-left-his-go-to-workout-spot-golds-gym-because-they-don't-require-face-masks/ar-BB15CYda

[caliotter3]

53 minutes ago, pixierose said:

You know what’s getting bloody old?

Being told I should be sitting at home because I’m one of the vulnerable populations so “the rest of society” can get moving. Meanwhile, if other people would just wear their damn masks and maintain social distancing, the battle is halfway won right there. Reading stories about reporters getting booted off planes because “I have rights!” to the president and Vice President setting the most ridiculous examples, to the couple I saw at Target yesterday loudly proclaiming “its fine!” when not social distancing in the line and getting right up into someone’s booty space ... knock it off!

(insert someone’s comment about the protesters et al - I’m waiting)

Also, it’s also getting old using the same N95 at work for the last 7 days, but that’s an entirely different thread.

Hmm. Please tell us where Granny is supposed to obtain an N-95 mask at any price?

[macawake, MSN]

8 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

There were no trenches on the U.S. mainland, and our country had social distancing back in the 1918 pandemic. It failed. 500,000 to 800,000 Americans died (out of a population of 105 million).

Since the U.S. has roughly 330 million people today (a factor of x3.14), that would mean that an equivalent number of 1,571,000 to 2,514,000 Coronavirus deaths in the U.S. could be termed a success.

And BTW, my parents are really cool and the most unselfish people I know. They don't endorse everyone being out of a job and us going back to the Stone Age, with no future for anyone, in order to vainly wait for an end to this Corona stuff.

This seems overly melodramatic to me. We’re not going back to the Stone Age. Not from this virus anyway. Where is this monochromatic view coming from? You appear convinced that the ”all or nothing” approach is the only one available to us. Why is that?

If it’s the economy you’re concerned about, I don’t think it’s as easy as proclaiming that this thing is over, we’re done with it. The uncertainty of a pandemic affects individual on many levels. I think there are many psychological mechanisms involved. It’s for example not just the fact that stores are closed or people are asked to stay at home that results in decreased consumer demand (exept for toilet paper, pasta and hand sanitizer). People need to feel safe and the markets need to regain confidence. It would be great if you could just order people and markets to ”feel” a certain way, but it doesn’t really work like that.

I haven’t heard anyone advocating for permanent quarantines. Have you? I think we should all do what we can to slow the spread of the virus in order to keep society operational. It’s not much of a hardship to wash your hands frequently and to keep a six feet distance from others whenever possible.

I believe that humans have evolved pro-social behaviors and emotions such as empathy because it benefits our collective survival. Cooperation is a skill that increases our chances of success. If society was largely populated by Dark Triad types then I think this world would go to hell in a handbasket fairly quickly.

Lastly, I thought I was a glass half full type of person but you appear to have me beat on that score. Calling one and a half or two and a half million deaths in one country a success, is quite a feat.

[herring_RN, ASN, BSN]

NEW TODAY:

Jun. 18, 2020: California Orders People To Wear Masks In Most Indoor Spaces

“Science shows that face coverings and masks work,” Gov. Gavin Newsom said in a statement about the new order. “They are critical to keeping those who are around you safe, keeping businesses open and restarting our economy.”

States including Michigan, New York, Maine, Delaware and Maryland already have statewide mask orders in place.

The order came as California broadly reopens its economy. In most counties, people can now shop, dine in at restaurants, get their hair done and go to church, among other things...

... Until now, the Democratic governor had allowed local governments decide whether to mandate masks, an issue that's become politically fraught as some Americans resist orders to wear them....

... The public health officer in Southern California's Orange County resigned last week after she faced threats over her order that people wear masks, and the county sheriff said he wouldn't enforce it. Los Angeles County requires people to wear masks when outside their homes, as do San Francisco and Santa Clara counties.

https://hosted.ap.org/reformer/article/c1118d5215a04460547fc4de34e26675/california-orders-people-wear-masks-most-indoor-spaces

[pixierose, BSN, RN]

1 hour ago, caliotter3 said:

Hmm. Please tell us where Granny is supposed to obtain an N-95 mask at any price?

Well, if granny finds them she can point me in the right direction. I keep that N95 as pristine as possible in that brown bag and use for work only.

My hairdresser of all people was the one who thought of me and bought me 5 face shields for work. Been using the same one since mid-May. Bless that woman.

[macawake, MSN]

I was about to write some more stuff in the previous post, but took too long doing other things.. so I’ve timed out.. again...

Well, I was just about to ask if perhaps you don’t consider millions of death a success. Perhaps you were merely responding to the posts saying that social distancing helped keep the death toll down in 1918-1920? Mortality numbers were very large in that brutal pandemic, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that mitigation efforts like social distancing didn’t have an effect.

Ouch, pixierose. I just read your most recent post. I’m really sorry that you’re experiencing such shortages of essential PPE.

That’s in my opinion just one more sign that we really need to ”flatten the curve”. I hope things improve soon for you regarding supplies of things needed to keep you all safe at work!

[CommunityRNBSN, BSN, RN]

On 6/17/2020 at 10:00 AM, Emergent said:

I don't think it's practical to shut down economies until a vaccine is developed. The plan to even reopen the schools here in Washington state is ridiculous. The vaccine could be years down the road.

Developed, produced, and administered to 400 million people. That is a staggering task. How long did it take after a polio vaccine was developed, before polio was brought under control? Decades. That is how long it took. The people who are saying “We will have a vaccine in March and then everything will be fine!” are delusional.