Coronavirus Second Wave?

[sirI, MSN, APRN, NP]

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The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.

Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...

This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.

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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.

The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.

Read in its entirety: China races to contain a second wave of coronavirus cases in Beijing

Do you think this will become increasingly problematic?

With the re-opening of the U.S., are we facing a second wave?

[Emergent, RN]

I think the virus is here to stay. We, in the first world, have gotten used to such a high standard a care that it shocks us to see vulnerable people taken out by a virus.

Of course, throughout human history people have died of diseases. This virus would probably have gone unnoticed 100 yrs ago. Old people dying was not considered abnormal back then.

I think that the population of the United States is generally in bad shape. The level of health is poor. People don't exercise enough and eat so much processed food, leading to metabolic disorders and obesity. These conditions leave our population very vulnerable to this covid-19.

I don't think it's practical to shut down economies until a vaccine is developed. The plan to even reopen the schools here in Washington state is ridiculous. The vaccine could be years down the road.

I think that we need to get out of our first world bubble and accept the fact that we live in a world with no guarantees. Vulnerable people need to take responsibility for their own health. Those are the people who should be on pandemic unemployment. Meanwhile, don't destroy the economy that we all rely on for our livelihoods. Let herd immunity begin sooner rather than later.

[A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN]

It's time to let Coronavirus take its course and rip this band-aid off quickly, get it over with. No to permanent quarantines, no to economic depression, no to waiting forever for some vaccine that many never materialize. Time to move on from this Corona thing. We don't flip our lids over the thousands who die from the flu. Corona is just like that.

[toomuchbaloney]

It sounds like people are ready to get on with the journey toward a couple million American deaths from COVID. So take off your mask...go out...eat, drink, shop...make yourself happy. Or do you require everyone to do as you do to make it work for you? Who is stopping you from behaving exactly as you prefer?

[macawake, MSN]

Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 isn’t exactly like the flu. Is it an annual occurrence to have refrigerated trucks acting as makeshift morgues parked outside hospitals? Is that something you normally see?

This is a novel virus. At the start of the outbreak not a single person had immunity. There is no vaccine. There are still many things unknown about this virus. Not at all like the seasonal flu.

You know, there is a middle ground between permanent lockdown or quarantines and just letting the virus spread through society with no efforts at all to slow it down.

Would you be okay if you didn’t receive hospital care at the level you needed, say after a serious vehicular accident, because all the ICU beds were taken by Covid-19 patients? Or do you think one of them should be ”evicted” from his or her much needed bed so that you can have it? We are trying to flatten the curve for a reason.

I very rarely flip my lid. (And never when people are obviously trying to flip it). But I do care about people dying. Whether it’s from influenza or Covid-19. Especially when it could have been avoided. More people than necessary would die if we run out of hospital beds.

OP, to answer your question. Yes, I do think we’ll see a second wave (and a third). Europe and the Americas are barely over the first wave. Some countries or regions are, but it’s very much ongoing.

[toomuchbaloney]

On 6/17/2020 at 1:44 PM, macawake said:

Covid-19/SARS-CoV-2 isn’t exactly like the flu. Is it an annual occurrence to have refrigerated trucks acting as makeshift morgues parked outside hospitals? Is that something you normally see?

This is a novel virus. At the start of the outbreak not a single person had immunity. There is no vaccine. There are still many things unknown about the virus. Not at all like the seasonal flu.

But the same people don't want to believe that...as we see in this thread. What is the psychology behind such narrow thinking?

[HandsOffMySteth]

We may have herd immunity as our only option if we can get this under control. But that will be at a cost.

[Wuzzie]

8 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

We may have herd immunity as our only option if we can get this under control. But that will be at a cost.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

[GrumpyRN, NP]

4 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

We don't flip our lids over the thousands who die from the flu. Corona is just like that.

Is that the same flu that killed 50 million people in 1918?

Which by the way started in Kansas.

[HandsOffMySteth]

1 hour ago, Wuzzie said:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808

Sorry, typo. That should have been if we can't get this under control.

[Wuzzie]

31 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

Sorry, typo. That should have been if we can't get this under control.

My point in posting the article is that herd immunity without a vaccine is problematic at best and unlikely to happen at worst. The science isn't clear yet.

[HandsOffMySteth]

16 minutes ago, Wuzzie said:

My point in posting the article is that herd immunity without a vaccine is problematic at best and unlikely to happen at worst. The science isn't clear yet.

Agreed, however, if natural herd immunity does not work, no vaccine will work. Not a nice scenario to ponder.