What to do about DNP and flu shot?

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I am finishing my MSN soon, and had thought that I would get my DNP. However, I am second guessing this after a big ordeal from my school about me not taking a flu shot. My hospital does not require it if I wear a mask. I hate to put the time and money into getting a DNP, and at some point be required to take a flu shot to work in nursing. I WILL NOT. I will change careers. I’m not looking for pro flu shot comments here. However, I am looking for advice and useful information on what you think the future holds in this matter. I also have an MBA, and can just as easily go into a DBA program.

5 hours ago, Banana nut said:

WI-38 and MRC 5, PerC6 and PMK cells are all products that i do not agree with regarding how they were produced, researched and acquired. They were aborted children of minority youths that were killed for free then sold and traded by big pharma and the government, it just makes me unwell in my spirit knowing this. I do not support these ingredients and ive seen them personally on ingredient lists in multiple vaccines so weather they are technically in the exact flu shot that i might be getting from my hospital or not i will not know and i do not care, it really makes no difference to me.

Something tells me you are glad that others are "well with their spirit" enough so that you and your family can benefit from the herd immunity. I'm very curious how you are "well with your spirit" allowing millions to die if we all refused vaccines for feeling the exact same way you do.

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4 hours ago, Banana nut said:

You don't have any choice in that one.

Oh, you mean bc you are FORCING that on us by not giving us a choice? How incredibly ironic. My strong belief to not be treated by an anti vaxxer bc in no world would I trust his/her judgement just doesn't matter to you, huh? Very intetesting. I think this says it all, really. That it's about you, (and your beliefs, certainly not about science) and to hell with everyone else.

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I'm trying to figure out the logic of caring about a couple of aborted fetuses from over 50 years ago but not caring about the millions of live children who would die or be irreparably harmed by diseases such as polio, rubella, rabies, etc. if everyone refused these vaccines on principle.

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This isa really great discussion thank you so for your comments.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
On 2/17/2020 at 5:58 PM, Banana nut said:

This is a really great discussion thank you so for your comments.

Thank you so much for contributing, as it was a perfect illustration of how the anti-vaccine thought pattern works. ?

On 2/17/2020 at 5:40 PM, Horseshoe said:

I'm trying to figure out the logic of caring about a couple of aborted fetuses from over 50 years ago but not caring about the millions of live children who would die or be irreparably harmed by diseases such as polio, rubella, rabies, etc. if everyone refused these vaccines on principle.

Because it has absolutely nothing to do with fetuses or anything other than selfishness. Claim moral high ground whilst traveling the moral low road.

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Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
20 hours ago, Banana nut said:

I continue to do a lot of research. The cdc it self talks about the benefits of "cell grown vaccines" where do they get those cells? Aborted baby fetuses. Look up MRC5 cells, WI38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, there is a lot more.

It's true that some vaccines are cultured from fetal stem cell lines. However the manufacturers state that most of those cells lines came from fetuses who were aborted after their mothers contracted the disease and opted for abortion rather than carry an exposed fetus to term. I any case this does not apply to the flu shot which is cultured and grown in chicken eggs.

Even the Pope in Rome states that while Catholics should not be forced to act outside their individual conscience and the common good achieved by vaccines outweighs such concerns.

A copy of the Vatican statement can be found at

https://www.immunize.org/talking-about-vaccines/vaticandocument.htm

Hppy

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Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).

Plus let's get rid of the rhetoric that people are being "Forced" to get Vaccines. They are not. In California you must have your child vaccinated in order for them to attend public school. Many private schools are following suit especially in the wake of recent measles outbreaks. Any parent in California id perfectly free to home school their child. No Nurse or healthcare worker is forced to get any vaccination - if you choose to continue working as a nurse or healthcare worker you must comply with workplace and state and local laws or find another job that does not require one to be vaccinated. "

If people are not intelligent enough to get vaccinated - it just helps to thin the herd when they get sick as they probably don't believe in modern medicine so should not go to the hospital for treatment.

Hppy

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Specializes in LTC, Medical, Rehab, Psych.

“Science” for the flu shot is about 9-18% effective in recent years and exposes you to metal adjuvants that are highly neurotoxic. When I hear a nurse espouse this flu propaganda I am dead certain they not only don’t understand the immune system but are NOT educated enough to be making decisions for anyone. You embarrass me. You work in a field where you are supposed to advocate for MEDICAL CHOICE and yet you would deny that care to someone who works in this industry? Hypocrisy at its finest, you are disgraceful and I hope you are never forced into anything against your will (that’s assault).
By the way it’s against your civil rights to deny you employment in most states over this issue. I ALWAYS refuse and if you all want them, take an extra one for me.

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Specializes in Critical Care.
8 hours ago, holisticallyminded said:

“Science” for the flu shot is about 9-18% effective in recent years and exposes you to metal adjuvants that are highly neurotoxic. When I hear a nurse espouse this flu propaganda I am dead certain they not only don’t understand the immune system but are NOT educated enough to be making decisions for anyone. You embarrass me. You work in a field where you are supposed to advocate for MEDICAL CHOICE and yet you would deny that care to someone who works in this industry? Hypocrisy at its finest, you are disgraceful and I hope you are never forced into anything against your will (that’s assault).
By the way it’s against your civil rights to deny you employment in most states over this issue. I ALWAYS refuse and if you all want them, take an extra one for me.

The lowest effectiveness in recent history was the 2014-2015 season with 19% effectiveness, other than that overall in the last decade effectiveness has ranged from about 30 to 60% effectiveness. I'm not sure where you're getting your "9-18%" number.

Vaccines expose you to far less neurotoxins than are commonly found in fruits for instance, and I'm curious what it is you think "they" don't understand about the immune system.

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Specializes in Former NP now Internal medicine PGY-3.
On 2/17/2020 at 11:27 PM, holisticallyminded said:

“Science” for the flu shot is about 9-18% effective in recent years and exposes you to metal adjuvants that are highly neurotoxic. When I hear a nurse espouse this flu propaganda I am dead certain they not only don’t understand the immune system but are NOT educated enough to be making decisions for anyone. You embarrass me. You work in a field where you are supposed to advocate for MEDICAL CHOICE and yet you would deny that care to someone who works in this industry? Hypocrisy at its finest, you are disgraceful and I hope you are never forced into anything against your will (that’s assault).
By the way it’s against your civil rights to deny you employment in most states over this issue. I ALWAYS refuse and if you all want them, take an extra one for me.

I think we understand the immune system just fine. Have you ever taken doctoral level immunology? No? I’d you have you would understand vaccines are safe and usually effective.

Also we need a source for your outrageous claims. Thanks

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Specializes in school nurse.
On 2/18/2020 at 1:47 AM, Tegridy said:

I think we understand the immune system just fine. Have you ever taken doctoral level immunology? No? I’d you have you would understand vaccines are safe and usually effective.

Also we need a source for your outrageous claims. Thenks

But, but, why take the risk when there are homeopathic (sugar pill) remedies available???

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
On 2/17/2020 at 11:27 PM, holisticallyminded said:

“Science” for the flu shot is about 9-18% effective in recent years and exposes you to metal adjuvants that are highly neurotoxic.

Thanks for your well articulated and researched post. It would be helpful if you could provide us the primary source for your statements on efficacy; its not that I don't trust your word, but I like to read it straight from the original source.

I am curious which metals you are concerned about and why you suspect that despite of their presence, the fact they are highly neurotoxic, and the vast number of immunizations given, safety studies demonstrate no evidence of this?

Efficacy: Belongia, E. A., Simpson, M. D., King, J. P., Sundaram, M. E., Kelley, N. S., Osterholm, M. T., & McLean, H. Q. (2016). Variable influenza vaccine effectiveness by subtype: a systematic review and meta-analysis of test-negative design studies. The Lancet Infectious Diseases, 16(8), 942-951.

Safety: Vellozzi, C., Burwen, D. R., Dobardzic, A., Ball, R., Walton, K., & Haber, P. (2009). Safety of trivalent inactivated influenza vaccines in adults: background for pandemic influenza vaccine safety monitoring. Vaccine, 27(15), 2114-2120.

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