What to do about DNP and flu shot?

[Travelingon]

I am finishing my MSN soon, and had thought that I would get my DNP. However, I am second guessing this after a big ordeal from my school about me not taking a flu shot. My hospital does not require it if I wear a mask. I hate to put the time and money into getting a DNP, and at some point be required to take a flu shot to work in nursing. I WILL NOT. I will change careers. I’m not looking for pro flu shot comments here. However, I am looking for advice and useful information on what you think the future holds in this matter. I also have an MBA, and can just as easily go into a DBA program.

[balletomane, ADN, RN]

On 2/16/2020 at 10:45 PM, Lorri Cook said:

The cells are cultured in the laboratory, don't contain any original tissue and very little DNA.

Under oath, entire 9 hr deposition. "In a 2013 poll of the Top 50 “most influential people in vaccines,” Dr. Plotkin was voted number two, behind only Bill Gates. ...He has also served as a consultant and directly developer on several vaccines currently recommended by the CDC. While popular pro-vaccine zealots and vaccine risk deniers have locked arms in their refusal to publicly debate the many issues underlying current vaccine schedules, Dr. Plotkin’s 9-hour testimony now serves as perhaps the most damning admissions against the purported ‘settled science’ of vaccines, their safety and some of their most troubling ingredients."

[BostonFNP, APRN]

9 hours ago, Banana nut said:

I continue to do a lot of research. The cdc it self talks about the benefits of "cell grown vaccines" where do they get those cells? Aborted baby fetuses. Look up MRC5 cells, WI38 human diploid lung fibroblasts, there is a lot more.

As a nurse I trust you understand how and where you "do your research" matters. Reading blog posts from conspiracy websites isn't "doing research"; reading primary source articles in peer-reviewed journals is.

There are vaccines that are produced in human cell fibroblast cultures that were derived from two cell lines stemming from legally aborted fetuses in the 1960s. These vaccines are: varicella, polio, rubella, hepatitis A, and rabies. It has been widely studied that the vaccines can pickup small sequences of DNA (~200 base-pairs in length) from the host cells. Here are some facts: 1. Human DNA is 3.2 billion base-pairs long, 2. Only 1.5% of those 3.2 billion base-pairs are a protein-coding gene, 3. The mean size of a protein-coding gene is 66,000 base-pairs. This is why there has never been a problem with safety, and every major religion has directly addressed it. It is simply a moral straw-man for those that have already decided not to vaccinate.

As I stated, flu vaccines have absolutely nothing to do with fetal tissue as influenza is grown in egg cells. You either 1. know this and are simply using a straw man or 2. have somehow missed a basic fact while "researching".

FWIW, if injecting chicken DNA also goes against your morals, there are also readily available recombinant influenza vaccines.

[Banana nut, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

1 hour ago, BostonFNP said:

As a nurse I trust you understand how and where you "do your research" matters. Reading blog posts from conspiracy websites isn't "doing research"; reading primary source articles in peer-reviewed journals is.

There are vaccines that are produced in human cell fibroblast cultures that were derived from two cell lines stemming from legally aborted fetuses in the 1960s. These vaccines are: varicella, polio, rubella, hepatitis A, and rabies. It has been widely studied that the vaccines can pickup small sequences of DNA (~200 base-pairs in length) from the host cells. Here are some facts: 1. Human DNA is 3.2 billion base-pairs long, 2. Only 1.5% of those 3.2 billion base-pairs are a protein-coding gene, 3. The mean size of a protein-coding gene is 66,000 base-pairs. This is why there has never been a problem with safety, and every major religion has directly addressed it. It is simply a moral straw-man for those that have already decided not to vaccinate.

As I stated, flu vaccines have absolutely nothing to do with fetal tissue as influenza is grown in egg cells. You either 1. know this and are simply using a straw man or 2. have somehow missed a basic fact while "researching".

FWIW, if injecting chicken DNA also goes against your morals, there are also readily available recombinant influenza vaccines.

This is a really great post i am very aware that these are the facts, Thank you.

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

6 minutes ago, Banana nut said:

This is a really great post i am very aware that these are the facts, Thank you.

Then why are you insisting that the flu shot is made from "aborted baby fetuses" when it is NOT one of the vaccines derived from fetal tissue obtained in the 1960s? It's grown in chicken eggs, not aborted babies!

[Banana nut, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

35 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Then why are you insisting that the flu shot is made from "aborted baby fetuses" when it is NOT one of the vaccines derived from fetal tissue obtained in the 1960s? It's grown in chicken eggs, not aborted babies!

They do use aborted baby fetuses...

others are also used including: Vero, Human diploid cell lines WI-38 and MRC 5, PerC6 and PMK cells

Perdue ML, Arnold F, Li S, Donabedian A, Cioce V, Warf T, Huebner R (August 2011). "The future of cell culture-based influenza vaccine production". Expert Review of Vaccines. 10 (8): 1183–94.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

5 minutes ago, Banana nut said:

They do use aborted baby fetuses...

others are also used including: Vero, Human diploid cell lines WI-38 and MRC 5, PerC6 and PMK cells

Perdue ML, Arnold F, Li S, Donabedian A, Cioce V, Warf T, Huebner R (August 2011). "The future of cell culture-based influenza vaccine production". Expert Review of Vaccines. 10 (8): 1183–94.

Only one approved influenza vaccine is cell-based, Flucelvax. As stated many times above, influenza vaccines are predominately egg-based, with available recombinant as well.

You continue to post about it suggesting you either understand this and are purposely continuing a false narrative or you don’t understand it despite your extensive “research”. If it is the former, then it’s a hard argument to make about the morals of using cell based vaccines while lacking moral integrity. If it is the latter, perhaps more research is indicated.

[Banana nut, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

On 2/17/2020 at 11:17 AM, BostonFNP said:

Only one approved influenza vaccine is cell-based, Flucelvax. As stated many times above, influenza vaccines are predominately egg-based, with available recombinant as well.

You continue to post about it suggesting you either understand this and are purposely continuing a false narrative or you don’t understand it despite your extensive “research”. If it is the former, then it’s a hard argument to make about the morals of using cell based vaccines while lacking moral integrity. If it is the latter, perhaps more research is indicated.

WI-38 and MRC 5, PerC6 and PMK cells are all products that I do not agree with regarding how they were produced, researched and acquired. They were aborted children of minority youths that were killed for free then sold and traded by big pharma and the government, it just makes me unwell in my spirit knowing this. I do not support these ingredients and I've seen them personally on ingredient lists in multiple vaccines so weather they are technically in the exact flu shot that I might be getting from my hospital or not i will not know and I do not care, it really makes no difference to me.

[Tegridy]

I don’t agree with ICUs that contain antivaxxers as an ingredient

[Banana nut, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

14 minutes ago, Tegridy said:

I don’t agree with ICUs that contain antivaxxers as an ingredient

You don't have any choice in that one.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

44 minutes ago, Banana nut said:

so weather they are technically in the exact flu shot that i might be getting from my hospital or not i will not know and i do not care, it really makes no difference to me.

So basically you are admitting that it’s not at all about the cell lines it’s about not wanting to get the shot. This is exactly what it boils down to for nearly all the anti-vaccination population, thank you for displaying it so everyone reading can see how it works.

[BostonFNP, APRN]

On 2/17/2020 at 12:11 PM, Banana nut said:

You don't have any choice in that one.

We all have a choice and all those choices have consequences.

In example, one might choose to report a colleague they know isn’t vaccinating.

[KatieMI, BSN, MSN, RN]

1 hour ago, Banana nut said:

You don't have any choice in that one.

Yes, there is a choice. Patient and family just have to ask about it.

I have two regional hospitals in my med alert card with note "no admission there under no circumstances". EMTs follow these directions.