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  1. AF2BSN

    DNP: Mirroring the Path of DO?

    I realize there are many people who find no value in a DNP. I have to say that I’m a little disappointed in my BSN-DNP program, especially in the era of the pandemic. One of the things that shocked me was sitting in an advanced assessment course and overhearing cheering from some students. What were they celebrating? Passing their NCLEX. How are you sitting in an NP Program learning to practice medicine (yes, I said it) and not even a licensed nurse? When I have conversations with new grad nurses it just astounds me. To further my dismay, the rigor just doesn’t seem there. For those doing online programs, especially new grads, how do people expect online tests/a few papers/500hrs of clinicals to produce an independent practitioner? I’m in-seat at a prestigious public school and it still seems like a total mind-bending affair. The more I think about it, the more I wish the DNP would have a higher bar for entry, deeper dive into sciences, offer more clinical rotation hours, offer Step 1/2, and offer more residency/fellowship training. I realize there are many of you who would scoff at this, but hear me out. If the DNP is going to be the terminal degree pushed on nursing, where is the value? Are people honestly okay with standing next to a residency trained MD/DO and saying they’re equivalent? If you’re being honest, you can’t say that. So, then what? A recent survey by MDs and DOs showed virtually no difference in their practice and perception of care— despite osteopathic medicine touting holistic medicine and inclusion of manipulative therapy. Why can’t nursing step in to fill the care shortage, provide this type of care, and show our colleagues we deserve to practice medicine next to them? There are many who were trained in the 70s, 80s, and 90s who feel they were well prepared. That’s not the world we live in today, however. Online programs have diluted rigor, over saturated the market, and reduced pay. It’s time for a change and it’s time to say enough is enough. Not everybody deserves to be an NP. Everybody does deserve the best care possible, however. If nursing is truly about taking care of patients they should support this. Help the DNP evolve like the DO did, but keep your roots. 0.02¢
  2. Travelingon

    What to do about DNP and flu shot?

    I am finishing my MSN soon, and had thought that I would get my DNP. However, I am second guessing this after a big ordeal from my school about me not taking a flu shot. My hospital does not require it if I wear a mask. I hate to put the time and money into getting a DNP, and at some point be required to take a flu shot to work in nursing. I WILL NOT. I will change careers. I’m not looking for pro flu shot comments here. However, I am looking for advice and useful information on what you think the future holds in this matter. I also have an MBA, and can just as easily go into a DBA program.
  3. I am a new grad nurse and started working on a neuro unit in Oct 2020. Due to the hiring freeze at hospitals cause of COVID-19, I had couple months of break between the time I passed the NCLEX and when I landed the job. I always wanted to pursue higher education and during my "break" period, I applied to a PMHNP program. I have always been interested in psych and that's where I want to head towards in my career. By the time I start PMHNP program (if I get accepted), I will have 10 months of experience. My hospital offers tuition assistance after 6 months and wanted to apply for it when the time comes. However, some of my friends told me to keep it a secret even after I get accepted since supervisors and coworkers will not like the fact that I am going back to school so soon. I don't see it as a big deal because by the time I finish school, I will have about 4-5 years of nursing total. I was wondering if I can get some of you guys' opinions and thoughts about this issue!! Should I just keep the news to myself or is it okay to let my supervisors know?? Thank you!
  4. Midge66

    Grand Canyon DNP Program

    Has anyone completed, or is currently in the DNP program at Grand Canyon University? I can't find much online about reviews of the program. Would like some info on how it is going/went and about the DNP project. Thanks!
  5. Hi everyone! This is my first time posting on here so I hope I’m doing things correctly. I’m currently in school completing prereqs for an ABSN program in hopes to become an NP. I was doing research the other day and found an APNI program at Seattle U. It’s a four year program going from a BSN to a DNP. Because it’s a consistent four years, they state in the description that it may only be possible to work part time as an RN. My question is, is how ready would I be to work as an Advance Practice Nurse without previous RN experience? I’m extremely interested in this program, but also don’t feel 100% comfortable to take on that role if I don’t have previous experience. How would hiring look like if I did not work as an RN? I’m hoping to work in acute care.
  6. C'est La Vie


    Hi Everyone, I am creating this thread for all the UMSON DNP hopefuls of all programs applying for Fall of 2020. Hopefully we can post here to provide each other information and updates. I am applying for the DNP FNP program at the Baltimore campus. Anyone else doing the same? Thanks and good luck to all!!
  7. HopefulMay

    Emory BSN-DNP 2020

    Starting a forum for the BSN-DNP program! Post application questions, comments, and acceptances! Any previous students that have any insight, please post advice!! I just submitted my application for Fall 2020! 🤞
  8. nurse_bri

    FNP, DNP vs. MSN?

    Hi everyone!! I wanted some opinions and guidance on whether to pursue a DNP or a MSN as a Family Nurse Practitioner. I was recently accepted into a DNP program and a MSN program. What are the differences? Would it make a difference in salary/where I can practice? Would a DNP give you more opportunities and skills to practice? I heard it will start to become a requirement (to have a DNP) around 2025, but I'm not sure how accurate that is. I know a lot of nurse practitioner programs are starting to become DNP programs so if that is true I would definitely want to pursue that option now instead of the long run.
  9. jaynakim34

    MSN vs DNP Choice

    Hi everyone! I was recently lucky enough to be accepted into my two top choice programs for FNP: UCSF and UW. Now, I’m faced with having to make a tough decision. UCSF has always been my first choice because of its mission, focus on diversity, its minors offered (diabetes or HIV/AIDS), and preparation for working with my intended population of homeless or underserved. Tuition is $71K for two years. UW is ranked highly, and is a great choice as I live in Seattle. The program has some focus on diversity and working with the underserved, but overall the program places more focus on research, as it is a DNP program. Tuition is $79K for three years. Which brings me to my question: UCSF is a master’s program, and UW is a DNP. I always envisioned myself earning a DNP because I was told that is what will earn me the best job or what the workforce is transitioning to. I want to go to UCSF, but if I do 2 years now for my MSN, when I return to school later for my MSN to DNP, it will be more expensive than if I go to UW and get it all done now. Will I regret going to UCSF and not having my DNP? Is job prospects okay for just having an MSN within the next three years? Does the DNP prepare you more to be a stronger provider? Thanks in advance - I really value everyone’s advice here!
  10. Jordanmedical

    DNP without a BSN?

    I’m torn and am looking for advice from those who have been in my situation. I’m getting my ASN and am torn over whether to go for my BSN right after or take a couple pre req classes and go straight for my DNP at UCF as I have a bachelors in psych from there? If I go into DNP I’ll have about 9 months experience as an RN before the program starts if I get in on my first try I'm going to a meeting with and advisor later this week to find out more about the program.
  11. rn409

    Baylor DNP program? Help!

    Hi all, I was curious if anyone has had any experience with Baylor University’s FNP DNP program? I’ve been so impressed with everything so far in the application status, but I’m nervous because I don’t know anyone who has conpleted the program. It makes me a little uneasy not knowing anyone who has experience with them.
  12. Hey everybody! I’m an AGNP & ACNP (have been practicing as an APRN for 5 or 6 yrs now), and I am thinking of going back for a terminal degree. It’s more of a life goal than anything related to wanting to teach or research. I am between a PhD at USM or a DNP at USA. And while USM has been very responsive in describing what it’s PhD residency and dissertation process consists of, USA has not been so forthcoming. I have only what is on their website to go by as every time I ask someone over there concerning their Residency I seem to get the same information that is listed online. It just says the Residency may be completed in my community with a mentor, and that I would be completing a DNP scholarly project during the Residency. I am trying to figure what they mean by “residency.” Am I going to have to find preceptors like in my MSN program? If so, what kind? Or is the DNP scholarly project more akin to a PhD program wherein you go “in the field” and research on your own, perhaps also interviewing people and/or facilities, and with the help/direction of a mentor? I am trying to plan my work and life around this final degree, so I need to know what kind of extracurricular work I am going to be expected to do. If anyone has some real info they would like to share, I would be very appreciative of it. Thanks in advance! Edited for an annoying typo I saw right after posting. Ha.
  13. Master of Science in Nursing (MSN) First, we will start with the Master of Science in Nursing degree. Students who want to start their graduate studies in an MSN role will choose to specialize in a field of nursing or another educational type of track, typically after earning a baccalaureate degree in nursing. Many MSN students go on to become certified nurse practitioners, specialize in information systems or instruct in a classroom or clinical setting. Some MSN prepared nurses lead their department as a nurse director or become part of the nursing faculty at a University. MSN nurses who specialize in patient care usually go to a primary practice setting, using their knowledge to help in treatment regimens for patients, under the direction of a physician. For example, Family Nurse Practitioners focus on caring for patients of diverse ages via a clinical setting. There are MSN tracks for virtually every specialty in nursing, from midwifery to an informatics specialist. The length of time to complete: After completing a Bachelor of Science in Nursing degree, an MSN degree is around 2 years. Though, there are a variety of programs that offer a BSN degree track straight to a DNP, which may shorten the duration of the program. Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) Next, the Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) degree. The DNP degree is a terminal degree for clinical nursing education as well as the graduate degree for advanced nursing practice preparation, as envisioned by r the AACN. The DNP nursing degree focuses more on the practice competencies versus the PhD which is focused on academic research. The DNP degree prepares nurses who perfect the skills, based on evidence-based practice to improve the health outcomes of patients. If more nurses obtain a DNP, there will be more nursing faculty to help prepare nursing students of all levels. A DNP is a degree which has responsibilities beyond an MSN role. DNP graduates have clinical responsibilities, but also have roles within the administrative and leadership areas of nursing, such as education, public health, public policy, informatics or administration. Many DNPs work within universities or scientific areas conducting research. In most cases, to obtain a DNP, you must obtain a Master of Science In Nursing, though, there are programs that are a BSN-DNP, skipping an MSN degree. If you desire to have a terminal degree in the advanced practice role, have clinical responsibilities as well as administrative duties, focused on leadership at the business, educational, or government levels, then a DNP degree is the right choice. The length of time to complete: In most nursing programs, after obtaining an MSN degree, a DNP degree takes three to four years to complete, although, some programs have tracks that lead to a DNP faster by selecting a BSN-DNP track Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) The third level of an advanced degree program for nurses is a PhD. A PhD focuses solely on research. Many PhD graduates are researchers, nurse scientists or scholars. MSN prepared nurses and DNP prepared nurses work alongside physicians within their specialty field. PhD prepared nurses work with physicians as well, but on a research level, almost always in clinical studies rather than providing patient care. The length of time to complete: In most cases, after obtaining an MSN degree, a PhD program is four to six years. Most do not complete it as a full-time student because many nurses work in the hospital, classroom, or clinic. There are also programs available that are BSN-PhD, without earning an MSN degree. How to choose? Overall, MSN, DNP, and PhD programs collectively have an increasing demand for advanced practice nurses who wish to go on with their education. So, whichever you choose, you are going to aid in decreasing the shortage. When deciding which degree is right for you, it is best to think about your goals for the future. Another factor to consider is time. It can take up to six years to complete a PhD in Nursing. If you are willing to dedicate that amount a time is up to you. The programs are intense in research and require hours of study time. MSN prepared nurses are eligible to sit for their national certification exam for their specialty to become certified to practice. If you are able to obtain your certificate and would like your terminal APRN degree, a DNP is a great choice for your next step. Universities offer a variety of specializations from Midwifery, Neonatology, Family Nurse Practitioner, leadership tracks, informatics or education. A DNP works within patient care settings, but can also have an administrative role, directing leadership from a director's standpoint, as well as hands-on patient care. If your goal is to lead your healthcare organization, then this may be the path for you. If you like to research, enjoy the scientific side of nursing and want to be part of upcoming clinical trials or academic research, a PhD might be the best choice for you.
  14. The Doctor of Nursing Practice or DNP degree has been one of the biggest buzzwords in Advanced Practice Nursing. The mere mention of it creates a stir of emotions and strong opposing opinions perhaps of the same magnitude as the liberal versus conservative views prevalent in our current political climate. Unlike nursing buzzwords that come and go depending on what is en vogue at the moment, current Advanced Practice Nurses (APN's) who hold stronger feelings of opposition rather than agreement with the degree would be foolish to ignore the issue. There are strong indicators that support the argument that this degree is here for good. For one, Advanced Practice Nursing while a smaller subgroup within the larger nursing milieu has shown tremendous ability to self-regulate and adapt to change. Indeed, the speed at which change have occurred in the APN environment is astonishing. The Nurse Practitioner movement, for instance, borne out of an idea in the 1960's, have now blossomed into a membership of more than 180,000 professionals (Pearson Report, 2011). In that period of time, Nurse Practitioner (NP) training completely transitioned to post-licensure nursing programs leading to a certificate to the current graduate degree offerings at the Master's and Doctoral level. The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) have even kept up with this change and will only grant provider status to NP's who are trained in a graduate degree program. One can argue that the number of DNP programs have consistently grown in numbers since the first discussion on building a practice doctorate in nursing began in 2002. The American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) lists 139 institutions with DNP programs around the country, roughly 20% of the total number of member institutions totaling 670 (AACN Program List). Twenty percent may seem small but bear in mind that not all AACN member institutions are offering graduate-level programs that have a potential to be transitioned to DNP. Also, the current program list does not include online DNP programs offered by for-profit institutions that have various locations in different states of jurisdiction. My take home message from these data is that while the recommendation for making the DNP a requirement for entry to practice as an APN is farther from becoming a reality by 2015, the pace at which programs are opening up will continue and the degree is here to stay whether we like it or not. The DNP was just an idea when I finished my training as an Acute Care Nurse Practitioner (ACNP) in 2003. At the time, academic options were clear to me: pursue a Master's degree with my preferred nurse practitioner focus; get certified in the specialty, and voila, I am all set to practice as an ACNP. The option for further academic advancement at the Doctoral level was also very clear: the next step is a PhD or a DNSc both of which have become identical in content. In fact, numerous faculty members encouraged us to consider returning to the halls of the same university (or maybe even another institution) as a PhD student at some point in our career. The idea had a glamorous appeal to it in my mind at the time and I did entertain the thought of following through. Even to this day, I still struggle with the idea and have not come to a conclusion on what the right Doctoral education path to take. What's worse, this whole DNP agenda threw a curveball in my decision-making process. As an Acute Care Nurse Practitioner since 2004, I have matured and continue to grow professionally in my knowledge and skills as a clinician. I have stayed in the field of Critical Care as an NP since 2005 and have felt this to be my niche early in my career. In my personal quest both for academic advancement and to grow as a healthcare provider, I do not share the sentiments that the ideal MSN to DNP Bridge should be loaded with clinical content by adding so called "residencies". Don't get me wrong, I feel strongly that clinical content could undeniably be improved in the current manifestations of BSN to MSN or BSN to DNP programs for NP's. But I'm being selfish in my personal goals: since I already practice in a heavily patient care-based setting where knowledge and skills already get tested daily, my needs are different. In other words, I do not need a DNP to get a "residency" in Critical Care because I live and breathe in this specialty day in and day out. DNP courses that deal with leadership, management, the politics of healthcare, and the financial aspect of providing healthcare can be appealing to individuals in my professional level. This is the reason why there already exist multidisciplinary degree options outside of nursing that addressed this content even before the DNP was conceived. I remember a Cardiothoracic Surgeon I knew who went to a prestigious graduate school of business for a Master's degree in Healthcare Administration. The guy had big dreams of being a division chief or a CEO. A nurse manager in one of the units pursued a Master's degree in Nursing Service Administration because she had high hopes of climbing the ladder ultimately as a Chief Nursing Officer one day. Though I consider myself a clinician foremost, a business degree is a must should I decide to pursue a role in administration. That said, I do not think a DNP is necessary if I was to pursue this direction in my career given the other degree options that already exist. It seems to me like the DNP marketing machine has been trying to convince NP's like me to think that we need a DNP in order to learn from courses that focus on translating research evidence into clinical practice. I find this to be untrue and insulting to currently practicing NP's trained under the Master's degree model who use evidence-based practice in providing care to their patients every day. However, a Capstone Project utilizing Translational Research is a great idea in itself and though such an activity can be accomplished outside of academia, the DNP student who conducts this endeavor is provided with structure and mentoring from experts in any field of inquiry they are interested in. This particular aspect of the DNP convinces me of the value in getting this degree. The last argument I have been trying to contend with is the DNP's future in terms level of acceptance in academic roles in schools and colleges of nursing. There has not been a straight answer on how universities determine academic ranking for DNP-prepared faculty as this continue to vary depending on the institution. In the years I've been at the bedside as a nurse and as an Advanced Practice Nurse, I have acquired a great deal of past experiences and lessons learned that are worthy of being passed on to new generations of nurses who wish to follow the path I took. A role in the academia, though not attractive at the present given the low earning potential, is inevitable in my future. However, I seek assurance that the degree I pursue is held at the highest regard in terms of advancement in the field of nursing education. It is still tempting to forego the DNP for the much respected PhD in Nursing.
  15. The PhD is a research-oriented degree, whereas the DNP is a practice-oriented or clinical doctorate. How do these degrees differ and are they equal in status? Doctor of Philosophy The Doctor of Philosophy in nursing is a research-based degree that prepares learners for both research and teaching positions (AACN, 2001). The typical program is science-intensive and requires four to five years for completion (Worldwidelearn, 2010). It is designed to prepare nurse scholars, educators, and researchers for a lifetime of scholarly inquiry to build up the body of nursing knowledge (AACN, 2001). The degree is also valuable for obtaining senior management positions, publishing in professional journals, influencing public policy decisions, and advocating for positions through research (Worldwidelearn, 2010). The PhD is considered the top-of-the line degree for academic work. It places great emphasis on theory construction and research methods: specifically, the development of expert knowledge within the scholar's special area of interest (AACN, 2001; Blais, Hayes, Kozier, & Erb, 2006; Finn, 2005; McEwen & Bechtel, 2000). The PhD in nursing, as a terminal degree, has a core of theory, science, and research that provides the prerequisite knowledge and expertise for the development, evaluation, and testing of theories in nursing (AACN, 2001). Doctor of Nursing Practice The Doctor of Nursing Practice, by way of contrast, is a practice-focused doctoral nursing degree. It prepares graduates for clinical practice, administration, or public-policy roles, but the degree concentration is not research-focused (AACN, 2001; Blais et al., 2006; Edwardson, 2004). It was formally created by the AACN in 2004 to replace masters in nursing programs in preparing advanced practice nurses. This type of nursing doctoral program emphasizes advanced practice nursing roles, leadership, and application of clinical research for better patient outcomes. It produces expert nurse clinicians who provide primary patient care and direct clinical policies (AACN, 2004). The nursing practice doctorate is similar to other discipline-specific practice degrees, such as the MD, DDS, JD, EdD, or PharmD. The practice doctorate is the highest-ranking professional practice degree, but requires less academic preparation than research-priority doctorates (Edwardson, 2004). Since the nursing practice doctorate is a relatively new degree program, there is growing controversy within nursing academia concerning the deep, uncharted waters created by the DNP. The DNP does not require the same level of academic rigor as the PhD. Does the practice-oriented degree command equal standing with the PhD, even though the PhD requires considerably more time and effort for completion? Will DNP-prepared faculty be marginalized within nursing academia? A particularly thorny area of dispute is whether an educator with a DNP is eligible for tenure status within the university system. A possible solution is the creation of two separate tenure tracks in nursing education: one for academia (didactic faculty with a PhD in nursing) and one for practice (clinical faculty with a DNP). What do you think? References American association of colleges of nursing (AACN). (2001). Indicators of quality in research-focused doctoral programs in nursing. Retrieved from American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) > Home American association of colleges of nursing (AACN). (2004). AACN position statement on the practice doctorate in nursing. Retrieved from American Association of Colleges of Nursing (AACN) > Home Blais, K. K., Hayes, J. S., Kozier, B., & Erb, G. (2006). Professional Nursing Practice: Concepts and Perspectives (5th ed.). Upper Saddle River, NJ: Pearson Prentice Hall. Edwardson, S. R. (2004). Meeting Standards and Needs in Doctoral Education in Nursing. Journal of Professional Nursing, 20(1), 40-46. Finn, J. A. (2005). Getting a PhD: An Action Plan to Help Manage Your Research, Your Supervisor, and Your Project. New York: Routledge. Mcewen, M., & Bechtel, G. A. (2000). Characteristics of Nursing Doctoral Programs in the United States. Journal of Professional Nursing, 16(5), 282-292. Worldwidelearn. (2010). How to Get a DNP, DNS, or PhD in Nursing.
  16. Hello everyone! I was just accepted to the BSN to DNP/FNP program starting Spring of 2019 at the University of South Alabama. I wanted to connect with fellow students in my cohort and see if there is a Facebook group or anything that I can join? Very excited to start this journey with you all!
  17. melissa1985

    Regis College Online DNP

    I applied to Regis College online BSN to DNP and am waiting to hear back about whether I got in or not. It's been three weeks. I just wanted to see if anyone had any experience with their online program and how long it took for an answer. Thanks!
  18. Is anybody applying to the DNP program at Johns Hopkins University for the Fall 2018 term? Has anybody heard anything? or how difficult is it to get in the program? average GPA?
  19. Does anyone have any information of University of South alabama's DNP program or University of Alabama Huntsville? I'm in the process of applying for both but I wanted to see if anyone was a current DNP student at either of these places and had any opinions on how the programs were. Thanks!
  20. I recently had an interview for Villanova’s DNP Nurse Anesthesia program, but haven’t heard anything back yet. Had anyone else had an interview and heard something back from faculty?