The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics.
Hospicenurse2012-it’s very stressful to work in hospice, I am not attacking you at all but from your posts it may help if you spoke to a behavioral health provider, I do.
Specializes in Psych, Addictions, SOL (Student of Life).
5 hours ago, hospiceNurse2012 said:
but, think in terms of those who lived and were sent to the concentration camps... those who lived in fear of what law will come, next.... the Jews in Germany... they were not given freedom.. they were a star on their chest...
Specializes in burn ICU, SICU, ER, Trauma Rapid Response.
On 9/8/2021 at 7:14 AM, hherrn said:
This is a well written, nuanced explanation to the vaccine hesitant.
I believe the author may have used a word that could violate terms of service, but I don't think posting the link violates TOS. And, as an educator, I can tell you it is important to use language the learner can relate to.
This is a well written, nuanced explanation to the vaccine hesitant.
I believe the author may have used a word that could violate terms of service, but I don't think posting the link violates TOS. And, as an educator, I can tell you it is important to use language the learner can relate to.
That is a poorly written, counter productive joke.
Nobody hesitant to take the vaccine is going to read that and rush to the nearest clinic. Those of you that identify with that, enjoy it and share it are exposing yourselves as frauds. You think telling people to F themselves for having concerns about side effects is going to get vaccinations up? No. You're supposed to be nurses and yet seize opportunities to mock people for being afraid.
It's a damn shame so many nurses don't know how to identify fear and deal with it professionally and respectfully.
So many of you express how concerned you are that laypeople will visit this forum for education. Imagine the hesitant person reading that a bunch of nurses say they should go F themselves for being concerned about side effects. ?
In what capacity are you in the ICU on a weekly basis and why would you be there to pronounce people?
Yep, not to mention, hospice physicians don't pronounce ICU patients, hospital physicians do. And are there hospitals that allow unvaccinated people into the ICU? Other than patients?
That is a poorly written, counter productive joke.
Can you share the article you say is poorly written and for anti-vaxxers to go f themselves, I cant find it?
Many nurses have posted studies and facts about the vaccine efficacy and safety, and how their act affects others, lost on deaf ears.
It appears most not all of the anti-vaccine nurses are not going to take it ever and prefer to quit leaving their co-workers and patients in an already extremely short staffed, stressed situation.
Some of comments spread misinformation which is factually and morally wrong. There have been extreme anti-vaxx posts (will quit if mandated) by infection control nurses. I am not trying to defend my behavior that has offended anyone. I noted you have an approach to anti-vaccine/hesitant that I truly believe will reach a small amount of people who are on the fence and more power to you.
There was an article today that a very small hospital in Watertown, NY pop. 25K had 3 out of 7 of their Labor and Delivery nurses quit rather than get the vaccine and there will be a pause on that unit until they hire. This is the extreme mentality that I see from anti-vaccine persons. This is a small rural town that has an average income of 22K and above average unemployment so they are serious about not taking it, risking losing their house, stressors for their children, food insecurity etc is that not extremely selfish for a labor and delivery nurse who probably is a mom?
1.Can you share the article you say is poorly written and for anti-vaxxers to go f themselves, I cant find it?
2.Many nurses have posted studies and facts about the vaccine efficacy and safety, and how their act affects others, lost on deaf ears.
It appears most not all of the anti-vaccine nurses are not going to take it ever and prefer to quit leaving their co-workers and patients in an already extremely short staffed, stressed situation.
3.Some of comments spread misinformation which is factually and morally wrong. There have been extreme anti-vaxx posts (will quit if mandated) by infection control nurses. I am not trying to defend my behavior that has offended anyone. I noted you have an approach to anti-vaccine/hesitant that I truly believe will reach a small amount of people who are on the fence and more power to you.
4.There was an article today that a very small hospital in Watertown, NY pop. 25K had 3 out of 7 of their Labor and Delivery nurses quit rather than get the vaccine and there will be a pause on that unit until they hire. This is the extreme mentality that I see from anti-vaccine persons. This is a small rural town that has an average income of 22K and above average unemployment so they are serious about not taking it, risking losing their house, stressors for their children, food insecurity etc is that not extremely selfish for a labor and delivery nurse who probably is a mom?
1. I'd have to dig to find it, but in short, it's a rant of F bombs directed toward people not vaccinating. Although it appears to be intended as humor and express frustration toward unfounded concerns, it also targets people for having reasonable concerns like side effects.
2. There may be a handful of people against all vaccines. Those who should be consider "anti vaxxers". Unfortunately, people who have concerns about THIS vaccine and the mandates accompanying them are being mislabeled as "antivaxxers". That's not right. It isn't fair to say they have def ears for disagreeing. Many nurses feel the vaccine is appropriate for many but not all, and don't agree with being forced without individual consideration for its need.
3. Information presented by medical professionals as facts with no scientific studies or data behind it is not right (I.e. microchips/magnetism). Interpretations based on studies and facts are fair. Opinions, should be delivered and received as such.
4. Do we know why they quit in greater detail other than they didn't want to vaccinate? Do we know why they didn't want to? We should also consider, vaccinated people are still getting and spreading COVID. We have studies that raise questions about how much more or less the vaccinated can spread the virus:
Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
On 9/12/2021 at 3:31 AM, hospiceNurse2012 said:
because I am a hospice nurse and am seeing so many people who are dying with the vaccine... and, the physician who signs the certification of death are saying it WAS COVID who killed the person... and the person RECEIVED THE JAB... yes, I am saying the vaccine is ineffective... and the physician signing the certificate is stating the patient died as a result of having COVID regardless of BEING VACCINATED.
it's unquestionably ineffective... or, there would not be a question of those of US (*millions) who are NOT VACCINATED are infected those who have chosen to become vaccinated.. THINK!! Vaccination means you are given some sort of immunity so you DON'T get the virus... but, even those WHO ARE VACCINATED are getting rona... so, yes... it is ineffective...
You said if your self. Your patients are that with a life limiting illness. Then it stands to reason they are more likely dying from their original illness. When our hospice patients pass from anything but their orginal illness the death certificate is written as 'death from urosepsis secondary to prostate cancer'
And since when do covid patients get put on hospice? You should be ashamed of promoting such inaccuracies ?
Correction on my previous post: hospital is in Lowville not Watertown. And 6 clinical staff quit their L&D unit including nurses, MA and respiratory therapists. That unit is in a two week pause.
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Hospicenurse2012-it’s very stressful to work in hospice, I am not attacking you at all but from your posts it may help if you spoke to a behavioral health provider, I do.