The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics.
do you think the gentleman's spouse who sat by his bedside, confused, as to why he would die, having been vaccinated, was thinking about protection? She was asking WHY DID THIS vaccine NOT PROTECT my, now, dead husband?
being a hospice nurse has allowed me the privilege of holding hands with those who are dying; their Loved Ones are scared of what just happened; the survivors are looking to us for answers; and, we have none when they ask "why did he die after having received this vaccine?" well, maybe Fauci needed to tell you you will have to get 4? I do not know.. but, I can tell you... illegal aliens are coming across our borders by hundreds of thousands... Why? because every country on earth KNOWS WE ARE A FREE PEOPLE... we are free to choose our college, our car, our plans in our home, our use or not use of water.. and, YES... whether or not to receive any medical care.. including the jab.. is CHOICE... Americans are called those living in the FREE WORLD.. because we are FREE... I am free to DECLINE this vaccine.
that's just my point... you have the freedom to buy it, or, not "buy it"... that is the entire point.. you have freedom... and this is all about freedom... it's not about a disease which has a 99.3% survival rate.... it's about being told you will get the jab...
but, think in terms of those who lived and were sent to the concentration camps... those who lived in fear of what law will come, next.... the Jews in Germany... they were not given freedom.. they were a star on their chest... and, later, were taken to concentration camps, where, one, Corrie Ten Boom, survived. She survived to hold her hand out to one of the security guards from the concentration camp where her sister died. She chose to hold her hand out and offer forgiveness.
I will hold out my hand to anyone, whether vaxxed, or, not... because I have freedom... freedom to forgive...
it's all about freedom... and, if you declare the lack of freedom to take, or, not, take the vaccine, you are part of the problem of the erosion of freedom, in America.
perhaps you need to ask what freedoms you have? and, what freedoms do the Afghani's have, today?
Do they have the freedom to walk around with polished fingernails? No... women are scorned for having polish on their fingernails in Afghanistan.
When I walked into my university library, I saw a young woman from head to toe covered (not even her eyes showing) in black... black to conceal every inch of her... because of her lack of wearing whatever color of clothing, or, whether or not to show any part of her body.. lack of freedom..
so, ask yourself, would I rather have the ability to have freedom and CHOOSE? or, would I be willing to give up my freedom and submit to a tyrannical president mandating the vaccine?
I choose freedom.
I choose to not be vaccinated against a virus with 99% recovery rate.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
16 minutes ago, hospiceNurse2012 said:
I choose to not be vaccinatedagainst a virus with 99% recovery rate.
I hope that goes well for you...the evidence demonstrates that the American health system and economy are struggling to accommodate the thinking and behaviors of the intentionally unvaccinated. But, yeah, freedom to ignore common sense public health recommendations during a pandemic is certainly very "American".
Making choices based on fear, is not freedom... it's like what the Afghani's are now experiencing due to Biden's poor plan of evacuation..
we are not living in fear.
I will respectfully ask you to consider that many of us who have received the vaccine did not do so from a point of fear but rather from a mindset of taking advantage of a marvel of medical science that offers us a measure of protection against death and disease and an overall reduction in death and disease in our communities.
I don't wear my seatbelt out of fear, I don't stop at stop signs out of fear, I don't participate in wellness care (screenings, vaccinations, health assessment with my PCP etc) out of fear, I don't cook/prepare food in certain ways out of fear, I don't use life jackets out of fear...I do all of these and innumerable other things, because they mitigate preventable death, disease, illness....even inconvenience, and because some of them, like stopping at stop signs/following traffic laws, also help mitigate preventable tragedy in my community.
I noticed this "faith vs. fear" narrative very soon after the onset of the pandemic and must tell you it is a false narrative and it is also offensive. I am shocked that persons of purported faith have come up with this.
I have had some interface with persons of purported faith IRL over this, and find it mindboggling. As if these people don't hold their children's hands when in a busy parking lot! I just don't get it. They, too, do innumerable things every single day that could be turned around and labeled as living in fear/lacking faith.
You hold your children's hands in the busy parking lots or do you have faith that they just won't get creamed?
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You have the freedom to not get the vaccine, and your employer has the freedom to can your ***.
And G-d has no business being brought up into this conversation, with the assumption that we're all believers. We are not a theocracy, and many of us are not Christian, or even theist.
And G-d has no business being brought up into this conversation, with the assumption that we're all believers. We are not a theocracy, and many of us are not Christian, or even theist.
I think they were stating their own view/motivation. It is important to counter the false narrative that persons of purported faith are weaponizing against their (more sincere) peers. It's such a thoroughly insincere narrative that is being used to shame people or make them feel inadequate. It is an excellent example of blatant hypocrisy. I would love to follow one of these people around for the day and stop them every single time they are about to make a choice that represents living in [their apparent definition of] "fear" rather than faith:
No seat belts, no traffic laws, no life jackets, no healthcare of any kind, no locks on the doors, no washing your hands, no admonitions to kids about anything whatsoever ("Get down from there, you're gonna fall!!") and no safety rules, no guard rails, no regulations of any kind, no brakes allowed on cars, no severe weather warnings (and no evacuation, no going in the basement, no taking cover), no holding of jobs or having careers in order to provide for oneself/family, no ANYTHING. In fact don't eat or drink, either, since that could represent living in FEAR of dying or FEAR of feeling uncomfortable if you don't do so. The only appropriate actions for those pushing this faith vs fear narrative are to plop oneself down out in nature and sit there and wait for all needs to be fulfilled.
This fear thing is a preposterous hypocritical narrative that is affecting communities of faith with regard to covid-19 vaccination.
I kind of think that whether or not someone is a person of faith it's a good idea for HCPs to understand this "faith vs. fear" narrative. Attacking the faith won't help (which you, klone, did not do but I have seen here from time to time), but being able to help persons of faith see the significant discrepancy in the narrative might help.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
11 minutes ago, JKL33 said:
Attacking the faith won't help (which you, klone, did not do but I have seen here from time to time), but being able to help persons of faith see the significant discrepancy in the narrative might help.
This is a reasonable point. It's important to remember that the American version of Christianity has long employed fear to motivate groups of people. In fact, politicians and tyrannts have a history of using fear quite successfully too.
In 2015 the developers of ivermectin were awarded the Nobel peace prize
yea... you are wrong...
I'm in the ICU... they have us on speed dial... the family is consulted, explained the benefits of hospice, the medical record number is flipped to hospice and the hospital avoids accountability of a sentinel event.
That doesn't make any sense, it's a sentinel event if an ICU patient dies?
3 hours ago, hospiceNurse2012 said:
because I am a hospice nurse and am seeing so many people who are dying with the vaccine... and, the physician who signs the certification of death are saying it WAS COVID who killed the person... and the person RECEIVED THE JAB... yes, I am saying the vaccine is ineffective... and the physician signing the certificate is stating the patient died as a result of having COVID regardless of BEING VACCINATED.
it's unquestionably ineffective... or, there would not be a question of those of US (*millions) who are NOT VACCINATED are infected those who have chosen to become vaccinated.. THINK!! Vaccination means you are given some sort of immunity so you DON'T get the virus... but, even those WHO ARE VACCINATED are getting rona... so, yes... it is ineffective...
I don't disagree that people have a right to an informed decision, a right you are violating by misinforming them.
While no vaccine has ever been 100 percent effective, 90 percent is not accurately described as "ineffective". Ineffective would mean the rate of hospitalization, illness, death, viral load, etc are the same in both the vaccinated and unvaccinated. That is simply incorrect.
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If the vaccinated are living in fear does that mean that the unvaccinated are living in a delusion?
It is telling that politics quickly found its way into an unvaccinated opinion.