Unvaccinated: Indefensible

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The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics. 

[CobraFan89, CNA]

On 9/7/2021 at 2:15 AM, MunoRN said:

Apparently I wasn't worthy of the juiciest tidbits though, because she told another nurse that Fauci, the Clintons, and Epstein were are part of "the Lizard People" who have been living amongst us.  Covid and the vaccines were all part of their plan to manipulate and control the human population. And that we'd all be finding out about the Lizard People on Wednesday.  Needless to say we were very disappointed when Wednesday came and went without any big revelations about the Lizard People. 

But yet her arguments were easily defensible, as I know of no logical, reasoned, or rationale evidence to disprove what she was saying.  You can't reason with the unreasonable.  

I’m disappointed that Dr. Connor from Spider-Man didn’t get mentioned. He’s the OG lizard man!

[PMFB-RN, RN]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:14 PM, CamaroGirl13 said:

I hear so many on social media (thankfully none where I work) saying that vax’d patients should get priority over non-vax’d (e.g. ICU beds, vents). It’s discriminatory and wrong on so many levels.

I'm one of those advocating for prioritizing vaccinated patient over unvaxxed for ICU beds.

    I find your position that we should deny ICU beds to trauma, or or critical medical patients in favor of the unvaccinated (as we are already doing with some preventable deaths as a result)to be discriminatory and wrong on so many levels.

[PMFB-RN, RN]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:14 PM, CamaroGirl13 said:

If they did that with all noncompliant patients, we’d lose a large percentage of our population.

The unvaccinated are not simply noncompliant patients. They are the moral equivalent of drunk drivers in that their chosen (and totally illogical) behavior puts me and my family at increased risk in a way that the noncompliant diabetic or CHF patient does not.  

   The non compliant diabetic is the morel equivalent of a seat belt refuser in that their behavior does not put me and my family and friends at increased risk. Their bad behavior effects them the most.

[PMFB-RN, RN]

On 9/19/2021 at 12:14 PM, CamaroGirl13 said:

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And in regard to coworkers getting vax’d, I don’t think it should be mandated nor do I think the un-vax’d should be fired or alienated or demonized for choosing not to…as long as they are responsible about it. One thing I’m hearing too often is “if you’re a medical professional, you’re putting patients and others at risk for not getting vax’d.” That is piss-poor rationale that is used to belittle others for their choices that they should have the freedom to make.

They DO have the freedom to make the choice. Except maybe some minor children, every single person who had gotten vaccinated do so of their own free choice. Nobody has been forced. 

   In MY view those supposed medical professionals who reject evidenced based medicine have no business in health care and well be much better off without them. Even if it means I have to cover more shifts in the COVID ICU for a while. 

 

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I guess what I’m ultimately trying to say is, there isn’t a single person here or anywhere else for that matter who has the right to say anything to or judge anybody for their choice to take a vax or not

I'm definitely judging them, as is my right. There are literally no rational reasons to refuse to be vaccinated.  Thus those who refuse are irrational and/or stupid. 

    And before anyone says it, no I am NOT trying to convince anyone to get vaccinated. Been there, done that and now I'm finished. All those who can be convinced with logic, evidence, data and fact have been vaccinated. That just leaves those immune to logic, evidence, data and facts.

   I now devote my limited energy to doing whatever is in my power to prevent them from holding positions of responsibility or power. Especially at the local level, school board, village board, etc. I also will not spend my money on their goods and services.  

 

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And the whole political argument of Republican and Democrats in regard to vax’ing is utter nonsensical garbage.

Fact: A lot more Trump voters are stupid (I'm defining stupid as unvaccinated) than Biden voters. The differences are significant. There is very definitely a huge political component with farm more Trump voters being anti American freedom haters than Biden voters.   

 

https://acasignups.net/21/08/24/nbc-poll-confirms-trump-voters-5x-more-likely-be-unvaccinated-biden-voters-make-over-half

On 9/19/2021 at 12:14 PM, CamaroGirl13 said:

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Some of the unvax’d people’s excuses for not taking it are just outright ignorant. However, some are actually educated and arguably justified with rational reasoning. Who am I to force my opinion aka truth on them?

 

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. There are no rational reasons to refuse the vaccines. It may be impossible to force them to be rational and patriotic. We can make note of who they are and ostracize them as much as possible. The unvaxxed need to be kept out of public spaces as much as possible. Vaccine mandates have been shown to work. I hope we have more of them and they are aggressively enforced. As a strong supporter of individual liberty, I also believe in accountability for our choices and actions. Thus far the unvaccinated have gleefully deprived the good people of our freedom and prolonged the pandemic with zero accountability. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

On 10/17/2021 at 10:57 AM, kbrn2002 said:

I was going to just go on by and ignore this, especially since it's an older post now but I found I just couldn't let it go. This is most certainly not lack of freedom. Quite the opposite in fact. Having the freedom to express one's religious views is a basic cornerstone of the freedoms the USA was founded on. Many Muslim women wear the hijab by choice, many also choose the more extreme full body coverings. 

When the men are required to wear hijab, then women will have freedom.  Many women are required to wear the garb because they would be killed or ostrasized if they didn't.  Some covering requires that women actually have to close the garment with their hand so they can't use both hands at once.   I want to see the men who force this kind of hardship, try to conduct their life with one hand immobilized.  I'm pretty sure I'd have a lot more freedom if everyone were vaccinated.