The choice to not take the COVID vaccine I feel is not defendable. The facts are that 99% of hospitalizations/deaths due to COVID are unvaccinated patients currently. This has caused a more severe strain on a already extremely stressed hospital staff, shortage of equipment and services, injury and death from other causes due to delay of care and suffering of everyone involved in the hospitalized COVID patient among other issues. Virologists report delta and other strains are accelerated and created due to the numbers of unvaccinated people in the US. The fact that vaccination rates have only increased about 20% since July with the information available is appalling, while there are 130k new infections daily in the US. This should not be a personal or individual choice and appears due to unfounded anxiety, medical or religious exception and or politics.
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39 minutes ago, capitalsfan83 said:
Using the same logic, if hybrid immunity is better and if vaccines are so effective then vaccinated shouldn’t be afraid of catching COVID because it will only help their immunity to be stronger. But that is not what I’m seeing. Why are most people on the left who are vaccinated are so afraid of COVID still? They keep screaming and demanding that others be vaccinated.
I am not afraid for myself. I am afraid of the broad consequences of unvaccinated people clogging up hospital beds needed for other people. Like the veteran who could not get gallstone pancreatitis treated timely d/t no hospital beds being available in 5 states around him. He died waiting. Like the guy I know who broke his femur and could not get timely surgery to set it correctly, risking maiming and permanent disability.
You see, I care about other people, not just those with COVID.
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7 minutes ago, NurseSpeedy said:
I also never remember a politician giving or pushing healthcare advise, which unfortunately both most recent leaders are guilty of doing so and neither of them have a single medical credential behind their name.
That's because we've never before been in a worldwide pandemic where thousands of Americans are dying EVERY SINGLE ***ING DAY. Of course they are going to discuss it and make public health recommendations. The difference is that Biden is speaking on behalf of his public health and immunology experts who work for him, and the other guy...suggested injecting bleach.
I seriously think that people forget this sometimes. People are crying out about how these mandates are so unprecedented, and never before have our rights been infringed upon so grossly (which, no, actually isn't true but it was a long time ago). OF COURSE it's unprecedented! We're in a ***ing PANDEMIC that's killing millions of people. This is not business as usual!
I am vaccinated. Know pretty much equal on both sides of the political fence and it’s about half and half who have taken it. Then there are some that won’t take it because they still think “It’s a Trump vaccine” (um, the guy wasn’t in the lab playing wizard or anything-just helped provide federal funding)…and there are are some that won’t take it now because they don’t want to “help Biden reach his COVID19 numbers goal” (basically they don’t want Biden to get credit for the pandemic ending)…..it’s all lunacy….and seriously politically charged.
I can only speak to my own experience, but I have not had anyone say to me they wouldn't take a Trump vaccine.
Yes, last year, the presidential and vice presidential candidate did say they didn't trust Trump. And there are reports that DJT did pressure the FDA to approve a vaccine before the testing period was complete.
And I have not heard anyone say they would take the vaccine because they don't want to help Biden. What hear is "you can't make me, you can't make me. I am more worried about mythical long term effects and everyone else can go pound sand."
Because they have friends and family who aren't vaccinated? Because the elderly and children remain at risk? Because they are sick and tired of reading about yet another family of orphans created when both parents have succumbed to COVID?
I get that. My whole point is that we are a country with certain freedoms. People should have a freedom to choose what they do with their body. You work in public health and probably deal with a lot of people that don't make good choices. Should we ban gay sex again? It endangers other people who don't have HIV / AIDS. Should we force them to take their antivirals and shun them if they don't? Should we ban alcohol so people don't drink and drive and put other people at risk? My family members were killed by a drunk driver. I can go on and on and on about this.
I can only speak to my own experience, but I have not had anyone say to me they wouldn't take a Trump vaccine.
Yes, last year, the presidential and vice presidential candidate did say they didn't trust Trump. And there are reports that DJT did pressure the FDA to approve a vaccine before the testing period was complete.
And I have not heard anyone say they would take the vaccine because they don't want to help Biden. What hear is "you can't make me, you can't make me. I am more worried about mythical long term effects and everyone else can go pound sand."
Hey, I’m vaccinated and pissed off that my poor kid has had to stay home and virtually schooled since March 2020 and had no human interaction outside of close, also vaccinated family members because one, I don’t want to chance that “she’ll do fine, she’s a kid” but also because she brings it home, there’s a good chance my vaccine will fail like my coworkers who were also vaccinated and infected and since a simple cold (negative for PCR covid testing and flu testing) lands me on nebulizers, steroids, and a prayer to keep my sats above 90%….yeah, I don’t want my child to be an orphan either.
I do, however, work from home. Part of that job is denying people a waiver from the COVID vaccine because there is no reason for my specialty (I don’t think there’s any reason for any specialty really) to issue the waiver they’re asking for us to give them. I have had the above political comments used in argument. I don’t agree with any of them. However, I have heard them…a lot…a long with many other it’s my body my choice, it’s too new, it’s illegal….dude, it’s not my call-doc won’t give you a waiver-sorry-but put in a nicer, more sympathetic, silently grinding my teeth that they still won’t take it….
That's because we've never before been in a worldwide pandemic where thousands of Americans are dying EVERY SINGLE ***ING DAY. Of course they are going to discuss it and make public health recommendations. The difference is that Biden is speaking on behalf of his public health and immunology experts who work for him, and the other guy...suggested injecting bleach.
I seriously think that people forget this sometimes. People are crying out about how these mandates are so unprecedented, and never before have our rights been infringed upon so grossly (which, no, actually isn't true but it was a long time ago). OF COURSE it's unprecedented! We're in a ***ing PANDEMIC that's killing millions of people. This is not business as usual!
I did not mean it to come out as it did. I’m just on the receiving end of numerous phone calls asking for a vaccine exemption that we have no reason to issue and will not issue, yet the argument that I often get sounds politically charged. Along with it’s too new, it should be my choice, etc.
I would love to go back to a pre-pandemic life. Had a slight glimpse at it before delta.
Now it’s back to online everything due to my own risk. Hell, I can run half a marathon a few days a week on a treadmill (gets old) but my lungs crap out pretty bad with the simplest of upper respiratory infections. I’d be no match for covid and my child would be without a parent. Many of my coworkers had vaccine breakthroughs and we were all vaccinated at the same time. Too high of a risk.
I also know that adults in this country do not like being told what to do, and strong arming or shaming them into it probably isn’t going to bring a ton of compliance either. If anything it leaves them uneducated about their fears, uneducated about the facts, and will only make them dig their heels down deeper about not taking it. Unfortunately, there are a lot of not so smart people out there or people that spend too much time getting their research on the internet.
I get that. My whole point is that we are a country with certain freedoms. People should have a freedom to choose what they do with their body. You work in public health and probably deal with a lot of people that don't make good choices. Should we ban gay sex again? It endangers other people who don't have HIV / AIDS. Should we force them to take their antivirals and shun them if they don't? Should we ban alcohol so people don't drink and drive and put other people at risk? My family members were killed by a drunk driver. I can go on and on and on about this.
I know I didn’t read this one right…there’s no way in hell these are being compared to the transmission of COVID19….and the first example mentioned….HIV is not primarily restricted to that population…
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47 minutes ago, capitalsfan83 said:
I get that. My whole point is that we are a country with certain freedoms. People should have a freedom to choose what they do with their body. You work in public health and probably deal with a lot of people that don't make good choices. Should we ban gay sex again? It endangers other people who don't have HIV / AIDS. Should we force them to take their antivirals and shun them if they don't? Should we ban alcohol so people don't drink and drive and put other people at risk? My family members were killed by a drunk driver. I can go on and on and on about this.
Please do not go on and on about this. Every example or analogy used was wrong. I shouldn't have explain how or why because it's so obviously wrong.
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48 minutes ago, capitalsfan83 said:
I get that. My whole point is that we are a country with certain freedoms. People should have a freedom to choose what they do with their body. You work in public health and probably deal with a lot of people that don't make good choices. Should we ban gay sex again? It endangers other people who don't have HIV / AIDS. Should we force them to take their antivirals and shun them if they don't? Should we ban alcohol so people don't drink and drive and put other people at risk? My family members were killed by a drunk driver. I can go on and on and on about this.
I get that. My whole point is that we are a country with certain freedoms. People should have a freedom to choose what they do with their body. You work in public health and probably deal with a lot of people that don't make good choices. Should we ban gay sex again? It endangers other people who don't have HIV / AIDS. Should we force them to take their antivirals and shun them if they don't? Should we ban alcohol so people don't drink and drive and put other people at risk? My family members were killed by a drunk driver. I can go on and on and on about this.
Yeah, and I work vulnerable people who don't have access to quality health care or a provider to recommend vaccine so they believe the bs that is being spread out there. And I work with immune-compromised people recovering from TB, who already have damaged lungs. And I see the daily numbers about outbreaks and deaths in LTC.
Are there any other public health measures you disagree with? Are you anti-clean water? Do you think you have the freedom to dump raw sewage in the street? Should we stop testing bats for rabies?
I know I didn’t read this one right…there’s no way in hell these are being compared to the transmission of COVID19….and the first example mentioned….HIV is not primarily restricted to that population…
It’s the same concept. Sounds like your logic or critical thinking is absent. We are being told to get a vaccine to protect ourselves and those around us, correct?
Same can be applied to HIV. I worked in HIV clinic and know that majority of HIV+ infections in this country come from unprotected gay sex. Per CDC: “Men who have sex with men (MSM) remain the group most heavily affected by HIV in the United States”. https://www.CDC.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/docs/factsheets/new-hiv-infections-508.pdf
COVID is a bigger problem and most people that end up in the hospital with severe COVID are already sick to begin with. Mostly obese and diabetics, mostly self inflicted conditions.
“Obesity and diabetes are two major risk factors for COVID‐19 hospitalization
People with Obesity and Diabetes are at higher risk for severe illness”
Having worked in COVID ICU for the past year, I have not seen a single person without some sort of chronic condition. Vast majority of our patients are obese with multiple other issues.
What should we do with Obese and Diabetics since they’re endangering us and putting a huge strain on our healthcare system?
On another note our very flawed for profit health system run by greed etc probably will stop paying for unvaccinated patients hospitalizations. A single bag of TPN is $1000, same for a six pack of platelets so a one month stay could average 200k that the insurance companies and hospitals could go after their estate or if the patient survives whatever assets they can get.
At this point, I hardly vare about THEIR finances. They are already into the billions in their health care costs which WE will have to pay for. I doubt that most of the have insurance since insurance is a socialist construct:)
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I am not afraid for myself. I am afraid of the broad consequences of unvaccinated people clogging up hospital beds needed for other people. Like the veteran who could not get gallstone pancreatitis treated timely d/t no hospital beds being available in 5 states around him. He died waiting. Like the guy I know who broke his femur and could not get timely surgery to set it correctly, risking maiming and permanent disability.
You see, I care about other people, not just those with COVID.