To kill or not to kill... another person dream?

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Here is the story:

About three months ago, our family hold a big celebration gathering in our house. One of the invited guests asked to bring with him his daughter who is a senior in the same high school as my daughter. By him, his daughter was sleeping and breathing nursing at all times and wanted to speak with me. Ok? - sure, of course.

Three days before the party, the daughter called me and requested that, since she is a vegan and "abhorred" by anything which can be even remotely related to "disrespect of life", all food must be strictly vegan for everyone. I pretty much signed it off and asked her to bring whatever she would enjoy except for mushrooms, nuts and chocolate, to which I am so allergic that anything of that kind is banned from my house, period. She argued for a while about "organic and GMO-free food cannot cause allergy" and some pseudo-scientific stuff she read somewhere on Internet, but we kind of settled down at the above. I thought she understood what it was all about as I told her everything in very plain and unequivocal terms.

At the day of the party, everything began cool and the girl was chatting with me to no end about her love to nursing, making change, etc., that she volunteered everywhere, got her science grades on top, the stuff. She told me where she wanted to apply - in two local community colleges ADN programs, both of them highly ranked and graduating excellent nurses. Asked for a letter, I said ok, will write you one, huney. Everything went smooth till I asked her to help me to bring dessert. She wanted to cut the cake and serve it individually, I agreed and she brought pieces to the table. The cake I baked myself. I started to eat... next thing I know, I was in ICU hooked to the vent, with two chest tubes, and it was over 3 days later. I went into anaphylaxy right then and there, had a full arrest. The girl, who, of course, never saw what a "code" really was with its inherent violence, was so terrified that she started to cry hysterically and admitted to paramedics that she added powdered mix of nuts and dried mushrooms to my slice of cake in order to prove that "organic" stuff was safe. She and her dad pretty much run away right after.

Spent 2 weeks in hospital, 3 months after still needing oxygen at times, still in pain from multiple ribs fractures, all the shabang plus, of course, large bills to pay and a new job I signed on right before it all happened is getting nearer. The girl or her dad did not call even once.

Quick ahead, a few days ago the high school my daughter and the girl in question both attend, made a show of the best college admission essays class 2020. They do it every year. My daughter spotted the essay written by that girl. She described in great colors how she "by a touch of luck" was exposed to a "real life-saving situation" in the form of CPR in the field, how she "found the name of the injured person" and helped all along (outright lie), how it influenced her wish to save humankind and fueled her dream to became a nurse which she first experienced right after she got out of diapers, and so forth. It was excellently written with large number of details. By these details, I know she meant my code. I have a copy of the essay and, by other details and her previous talk, I know where she applied.

Now, I am torn. On the one hand, she is just a silly idealist teenager, as we all were at some point. Life will teach her stuff, and soon enough, as it taught us all. On the other side, I cannot live with the idea that someone so careless regarding others' lives and so convinced in her personal world being the only one truthful and real should be allowed near sick, dependent and helpless. What if she realizes that the flu vaccine is made from innocent, intelligent chicken embrios and starts to inject patients with saline instead of vaccine so not to compromise her vegan worldview? What if she again feeds or injects another person with a known allergen? I know both program directors of two places she can potentially apply to in person; if I call, her nursing dreams will have to wait at least for a while.

I had my dreams killed by others more than once. I hate to do it with another human being. But the girl already proved herself to be unsafe for others.

Specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

Yeah, the old nursing saying "If it hasn't been documented, it hasn't been done," applies in this case. As long as a criminal background check comes up clean, she will have no trouble getting into a good nursing school -- assuming she has the grades, test scores, etc. She'll just have to go to another community/state, which is no big deal.

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19 hours ago, KatieMI said:

Without any proven benefits for her (save for that essay, which clearly came months later) it will be at the best assault/grievous body harm charge. Which, nevertheless, will effectively kill not only dream of nursing but all other dreams of a young person, as being a felony it pretty much closes ways into most of professional occupations. Even of a worker of an animal shelter (if she loves animals soooooo much)...

KatieMI, much respect to you; however...

So what? So what if she were closed off from other occupations for what she did intentionally?

She showed how "remorseful" she was when she ghosted you and wrote that essay.

She is a danger to society, slowing creeping up to a "Charles Cullen" level.

You were lucky. Cliche but the next person (or animal) may not be so lucky. She may have been banned from nearby nursing schools and their affiliates, but who is to say she would not apply to non-affiliated programs?

Well, you do what you are comfortable with, but, personally, I would not want to be confronted by a news reporter years from now for not reporting her to authorities when I had the chance to do so.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, NICU.

This girl could go to prison for attempted murder, and I am not even exaggerating.

Do it. She is dangerous.

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Specializes in Med-Surg, CVICU.

I wish you a speedy recovery from this horrific event you were forced to endure.

This girl sounds like a total sociopath. I hope she remembers this for the rest of her life.

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Naw, shes gonna kill or at least maim someone for life. Stop her before its too late.

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Specializes in Clinical Research, Outpt Women's Health.

Reading this I thought no way can this be true, but then I saw you had written it and you have been around here for eons and are very credible.

At the very least this girl is incredibly shallow and immature. At the very least. She has no insight and twists reality to her own means.

You would definitely be doing the wrong thing by writing any letter for her. I think she needs help. Mental health counseling at the very least although that will not happen I am sure.

Sure hope she doesn't kill someone some day.

You are being incredibly kind and forgiving, but I am not sure that is what is needed here. Has she learned anything from almost killing you? I don't think so.

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Specializes in ER.

@CrunchRN

I know what you mean, until I saw it was KatieMI I thought this was another troll post!

@KatieMI

I think this experience has knocked the wind out of you. I've always found you extremely direct, opinionated and and not one to back down.

You need to make sure this little sociopath NEVER works in the mainstream healthcare field in any capacity. Let Daddy set her up in the vegan products industry.

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9 minutes ago, Emergent said:

@CrunchRN

I know what you mean, until I saw it was KatieMI I thought this was another troll post!

@KatieMI

I think this experience has knocked the wind out of you. I've always found you extremely direct, opinionated and and not one to back down.

You need to make sure this little sociopath NEVER works in the mainstream healthcare field in any capacity. Let Daddy set her up in the vegan products industry.

What? So she can poison her vegan products? Not trying to be funny.

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Specializes in ER.
7 minutes ago, caliotter3 said:

What? So she can poison her vegan products? Not trying to be funny.

You have a point there!?

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On 12/9/2019 at 10:18 AM, caliotter3 said:

I am sorry, but in reading your post, it didn't take my mind long to go to the thought that this person has no business going anywhere near any vulnerable person, ever. She is too far along in the process to claim ignorance of what she did. No way Jose. You will be doing the nursing profession a favor if you provide the appropriate truth to the director of any nursing program you are aware that she applies to. Not for revenge for yourself, no, in order to possibly prevent any harm to any future patient that has the misfortune to come under her "care". I just had to say this. Please take it as serious advice. And best wishes for a complete recovery.

Start by having a talk with the girl. Let her know how you think and feel about what she did, all the worry, expense, etc.

Get a sense of what she thinks of her behavior.

If you think she's a nut case (no pun intended), report her to Police and Child Welfare. She sounds poorly supervised.

Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.

Update: after much talking, we're meeting with the family in question. I will break the news about my request to ban admission in all local nursing programs and also my request to the Boards regarding not granting permission to practice due to poor moral standing (it happens that one can really place such request. It can or cannot be granted, but my letter was excellently written by legal professional, I am an RN already and there was medical affidavit attached testifying about the history being real. Hope Boards people will listen).

Either the girl comes to understanding of what she did, or not. If she showes honest remorse... as it was mentioned, I became a very forgiving person after everything I went through in my life. If not, we're likely to give our family lawyer another call. After I counted how much income my family lost and what kind of life I am living now (on top of full time working as an NP, there are 10 hours of RT/PT every week plus "therapeutic homework") we're likely to make it legal. I still hope to make it the way so the young girl wouldn't lose all chances for education, career and life, but I wouldn't like to let her near someone who pretty much depends on others' responsibility, professionalism and benevolence in order to simply stay alive.

There were (and are) tons of cases when I disagree with treatments ordered by other providers, and I am not new to ask why one thing would be better than another or make a suggestion when I think the situation warrants it. I learned a heck of stuff that way. But a nurse who can just do or omit a therapeutic action basing solely on her own moral opinion - no, sorry ?

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Specializes in ICU, LTACH, Internal Medicine.
8 minutes ago, KatieMI said:

Update: after much talking, we're meeting with the family in question. I will break the news about my request to ban admission in all local nursing programs and also my request to the Boards regarding not granting permission to practice due to poor moral standing (it happens that one can really place such request. It can or cannot be granted, but my letter was excellently written by legal professional, I am an RN already and there was medical affidavit attached testifying about the history being real. Hope Boards people will listen).

Either the girl comes to understanding of what she did, or not. If she showes honest remorse... as it was mentioned, I became a very forgiving person after everything I went through in my life. If not, we're likely to give our family lawyer another call. After I counted how much income my family lost and what kind of life I am living now (on top of full time working as an NP, there are 10 hours of RT/PT every week plus "therapeutic homework") we're likely to make it legal. I still hope to make it the way so the young girl wouldn't lose all chances for education, career and life, but I wouldn't like to let her near someone who pretty much depends on others' responsibility, professionalism and benevolence in order to simply stay alive.

There were (and are) tons of cases when I disagree with treatments ordered by other providers, and I am not new to ask why one thing would be better than another or make a suggestion when I think the situation warrants it. I learned a heck of stuff that way. But a nurse who can just do or omit a therapeutic action basing solely on her own moral opinion - no, sorry ?

And, yes, Emergen, this experience knocked the wind out of me and tore the Earth from my feet. It was bad. It is getting better, but slow and I still have a whole long way to go.

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