Texas governor to residents: "The safest place for you is at your home" due Covid-19 spike

Guest1142305 · Jul 12, 2020

16 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:
There were no riots because of stay at home orders.

In my short 37 years of life I have seen obscene amounts of police brutality. I have never seen nationwide rioting afterward. On the other hand, coincidently, I have never seen nationwide lockdowns, which immediately preceded nationwide rioting.

It doesn’t take a Rhodes scholar to see the causality.

londonflo · Jul 12, 2020

15 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
In my short 37 years of life I have seen obscene amounts of police brutality. I have never seen nationwide rioting afterward.

Maybe you were too young during the DNC in Chicago (1968) and the Rodney King rioters (1991) in LA. Rioting didn't just start in 2020. (I am not a Rhodes scholar but I did attend a Summer session at Oxford)

Guest1142305 · Jul 12, 2020

4 minutes ago, londonflo said:
Maybe you were too young during the DNC in Chicago (1968) and the Rodney King rioters (1991) in LA. Rioting didn't just start in 2020. (I am not a Rhodes scholar but I did attend a Summer session at Oxford)

No, I do remember LA. Scary times, but that was isolated rioting, robbery, and vandalism. But I have never seen a nationwide outbreak of such activity.

Goodness Oxford is lovely! Lucky you!! I would have loved to studied at St. Stephens house had life taken another direction.

lifelearningrn, BSN, RN · Jul 12, 2020

These stats are indisputable. Any medical person in Houston, TX that wants to pretend all is well in the world and this is just common cold/influenza like illness, is being WILLFULLY obtuse.

This isn't directed at any one individual here. If the shoe fits, wear it.

headofcurls, BSN, RN · Jul 12, 2020

34 minutes ago, lifelearningrn said:
These stats are indisputable. Any medical person in Houston, TX that wants to pretend all is well in the world and this is just common cold/influenza like illness, is being WILLFULLY obtuse.
This isn't directed at any one individual here. If the shoe fits, wear it.

Very concerning indeed.

toomuchbaloney · Jul 12, 2020

Our problem with community spread isn't the "will of the people" it is the will of a small minority of people who are representing political and not scientific recommendations. That minority is a dangerous element during a pandemic, especially when their dangerous public behavior is encouraged from the White House and their favorite media outlets.

A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN · Jul 12, 2020

21 hours ago, lifelearningrn said:
These stats are indisputable. Any medical person in Houston, TX that wants to pretend all is well in the world and this is just common cold/influenza like illness, is being WILLFULLY obtuse.
This isn't directed at any one individual here. If the shoe fits, wear it.

It's more of a "super-flu", only unlike the flu it gets FAR more media attention despite both being essentially respiratory diseases with less than a 2% death rate if you get it.

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jul 13, 2020

On 7/11/2020 at 1:22 AM, A Hit With The Ladies said:
Also keep in mind that the wars were human-caused events, whereas a virus is a natural biologic phenomena and thus not human beings' fault. Not exactly an apples to apples comparison here.

And you have yet not responded to repeated several requests to show me one, single population that shows herd immunity. Infected people who don't show symptoms are not making antibodies so all that bar hopping hasn't helped a bit. When they do make antibodies, the levels are too low to help. So please cite confirmation of herd immunity. The more cases of corona that we have, the more people who are still working age will die. Ages in Texas are younger. But what it does to health care workers' psyches is most important to me because I saw what 9/11 did the NYC's population.

Guest1142305 · Jul 13, 2020

14 minutes ago, Undercat said:
And you have yet not responded to repeated several requests to show me one, single population that shows herd immunity. Infected people who don't show symptoms are not making antibodies so all that bar hopping hasn't helped a bit. When they do make antibodies, the levels are too low to help. So please cite confirmation of herd immunity. The more cases of corona that we have, the more people who are still working age will die. Ages in Texas are younger. But what it does to health care workers' psyches is most important to me because I saw what 9/11 did the NYC's population.

T cell mediated immunity does not produce antibodies, it produces memory T cells; antibodies are relegated to the B cell mediated immunological pathway.

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Jul 13, 2020

4 minutes ago, damiorifice said:
T cell mediated immunity does not produce antibodies, it produces memory T cells; antibodies are relegated to the B cell mediated immunological pathway.

Sorry, Damiorifice, that post wasn't for you. However, I do remember the HIV emergence in the 80's and have seen many theories come and go. We were just starting to talk about T cells then and we still don't have an HIV vaccine. We didn't have the acronym AIDs yet, not HIV. We called it kitty litter disease because we had two pregnant women in ICU along with a lot of young, gay guys. But the women added a twist to the mystery if what was happening in mid Town Manhattan. Just a factoid. But I do have a 51 year old friend huffing and puffing after Covid so it's not just a disease of the very old.

allnurses Guide · Jul 13, 2020

Immune warriors known as T cells help us fight some viruses, but their importance for battling SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has been unclear. Now, two studies reveal infected people harbor T cells that target the virus—and may help them recover. Both studies also found some people never infected with SARS-CoV-2 have these cellular defenses, most likely because they were previously infected with other coronaviruses...

... Although the studies don’t clarify whether people who clear a SARS-CoV-2 infection can ward off the virus in the future, both identified strong T cell responses to it, which “bodes well for the development of long-term protective immunity,” Rasmussen says. The findings could also help researchers create better vaccines...

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/t-cells-found-covid-19-patients-bode-well-long-term-immunity

Guest1142305 · Jul 13, 2020

1 hour ago, Undercat said:
Sorry, Damiorifice, that post wasn't for you. However, I do remember the HIV emergence in the 80's and have seen many theories come and go. We were just starting to talk about T cells then and we still don't have an HIV vaccine. We didn't have the acronym AIDs yet, not HIV. We called it kitty litter disease because we had two pregnant women in ICU along with a lot of young, gay guys. But the women added a twist to the mystery if what was happening in mid Town Manhattan. Just a factoid. But I do have a 51 year old friend huffing and puffing after Covid so it's not just a disease of the very old.

My goodness HIV is terrifying. Thank God it’s not respiratory. Anything that hijacks helper T cells to proliferate copies of its viral rna essentially renders us helpless since macrophages and B cells will not recognize the affected T cells as viral hosts. It amazing me people still proliferate that viral nightmare instead of practicing safe sex, using clean needles, etc.

As far as I’ve read yet, Covid didn’t have the capacity to infiltrate any of our immune cells. This bodes well for mounting some type of response with an unknown lifespan on the resultant memory T cells.

recovery should grant some type of immunity, but it could be as short as 6 months if the memory T cells are not marked for replication. Immunologists , as far as I know, do not know how or why our immune system chooses to proliferate copies of some memory T cells and not others. It’s amazing how much we still don’t understand about the human body and how it works in this age.

I agree COVID is no joke. It nearly wiped me out at 37, but I have respiratory problems. It’s just a cruddy situation. There are no good answers. It’s sort of a mitigating loss situation. Do you treat the infection or amputate? That’s how I see it in analogy form. There is no good solution to this mess. It’s going to be bad.