Okay, I fully expect to be slammed for this. What do all these posts about gaming the system to get early results say about the character of some of the new grads/nurse candidates? One of the prime requisites of being a nurse is good judgement. Boasting about or encouraging fraudulent behavior by using inaccurate or inadequate credit card information to get test results hours or days quicker does not speak well of one's judgement and maturity. Is this what we accept from our colleagues?
It may be harsh but I think this is a matter of integrity. I understand impatience very well, I understand wanting to know if all the work of school paid off, what I don't understand is how easily one can ignore the lessons of integrity and professionalism.
If one can lie to a faceless testing company how one respond when faced with a potential life threatening situation that requires, patience, integrity, and maturity. It's a slippery slope, a little harmless deception here may reveal character issues that come to light when real harm may be caused.
So, slam me, flame me, whatever, or I hope some will agree with me.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
I can't understand how using a gift card to try the PVT is the same as defrauding someone. You're drawing a lot of assumptions just from one act a person does. You can look back at any human being's life and I'm sure you'll find numerous times that the person hasn't been perfect.
If a nurse holds different beliefs does it mean they are less honorable or have less integrity then their peers?
It's a business decision, by using a gift card you ensure that don't pay for something that isn't needed.
Until you get that pop-up, you have no idea whether or not you need it. And it's not the result that's important here. When you use PV, you are getting a service from them. The results are immaterial.
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
Here is my opinion:
Is it wrong to give false information to "pay" for something without intending to actually pay. Yes, I believe. Why? Because it's dishonest. I do, however, believe that there are certain degrees of wrongness. This lie does not hurt anyone, except the person using the PVT, as they may end up paying an unnecessary $200. But at the end of the day, I think it's technically wrong.
Do I think that a nurse who used the PVT lacks integrity or the ability to be a good nurse? No. If I believed that, none of us could hope to be good nurses. I've done wrong. You've done wrong. And we will continue to do so in the future. I feel that it's silly to be uncomfortable accepting care from a nurse who used the PVT. Did that nurse do something wrong? Yep. Are nurses saints? No, as has been established several times on AN.
PearsonVue isn't just a giant computer like Watson. It has employees. It stands to reason that if PV is being defrauded of funds they rightfully deserve, that will trickle down to the employees, one way or another.
When I did the "trick" I did NOT put any credit card info in. All you do is attempt to re-register for the exam and an error message comes up. There is no credit card info needed. There are bigger problems in this world.... Un-ruffle those feathers
PearsonVue isn't just a giant computer like Watson. It has employees. It stands to reason that if PV is being defrauded of funds they rightfully deserve, that will trickle down to the employees, one way or another.
So is using a coupon or buying an item when its on sale the same as defrauding those employees? Why would PearsonVue rightfully deserve $200 for a service it hasn't rendered? The PVT isn't a random event that happens, PearsonVue has a system in place that prevents the registration, why would they have this system in place at all?
When I did the "trick" I did NOT put any credit card info in. All you do is attempt to re-register for the exam and an error message comes up. There is no credit card info needed. There are bigger problems in this world.... Un-ruffle those feathers
Specializes in Oncology; medical specialty website.
So is using a coupon or buying an item when its on sale the same as defrauding those employees? Why would PearsonVue rightfully deserve $200 for a service it hasn't rendered? The PVT isn't a random event that happens, PearsonVue has a system in place that prevents the registration, why would they have this system in place at all?
If the store/company offer it, no. What part of "invalid credit card" is so difficult to comprehend? Would it be wrong to try to apply for a nursing job online with an invalid license number?
For me, the bottom line is that someone intends to falsify information to get something. Whether it has a major impact on the company isn't the point. It's about not being truthful. It would make me wonder if that same person would fudge VS, because entering real VS would be an "inconvenience," e.g. having to notify the physician.
I have been asked about the PVT and I simply state that it is unreliable. My results were on the SBON within 28 hours. I have a nurse friend that took her NCLEX about 20 years ago. She had to wait 6 weeks for mailed results. Imagine that....... The advice I get is prepare, test, and then relax. It is what it is.
If the store/company offer it, no. What part of "invalid credit card" is so difficult to comprehend? Would it be wrong to try to apply for a nursing job online with an invalid license number?
For me, the bottom line is that someone intends to falsify information to get something. Whether it has a major impact on the company isn't the point. It's about not being truthful. It would make me wonder if that same person would fudge VS, because entering real VS would be an "inconvenience," e.g. having to notify the physician.
Then where is the line that can't be crossed, people aren't truthful their entire lives. You see a person that used a "invalid" card as someone that would lie about vital signs. I can't draw that kind of conclusion from that action.
It would be wrong to work with an invalid license, if you apply with an invalid license you wouldn't get hired. If you apply with an invalid credit card you don't get a registration. PearsonVue doesn't have to waste time administering a test because you didn't get a registration.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
Here is my opinion:
Is it wrong to give false information to "pay" for something without intending to actually pay. Yes, I believe. Why? Because it's dishonest. I do, however, believe that there are certain degrees of wrongness. This lie does not hurt anyone, except the person using the PVT, as they may end up paying an unnecessary $200. But at the end of the day, I think it's technically wrong.
Do I think that a nurse who used the PVT lacks integrity or the ability to be a good nurse? No. If I believed that, none of us could hope to be good nurses. I've done wrong. You've done wrong. And we will continue to do so in the future. I feel that it's silly to be uncomfortable accepting care from a nurse who used the PVT. Did that nurse do something wrong? Yep. Are nurses saints? No, as has been established several times on AN.
I agree that it's wrong to give false information in payment for something when one does not actually intend to pay. It's wrong. Not "technically wrong" but just wrong.
The person who paid the "unnecessary $200" had a choice to pay or not to pay; I don't consider them "injured" by having their credit card charged. Had they not wanted to incur a charge, they could have paid the $8 for the quick results and waited 48 hours. Or waited until the regular results came. Millions of us did just that -- and weren't harmed by it.
And I'm thinking that PV may be "hurt" by processing all of the fraudulent credit card charges. Someone's time and energy goes into tracking that down.
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Until you get that pop-up, you have no idea whether or not you need it. And it's not the result that's important here. When you use PV, you are getting a service from them. The results are immaterial.