Okay, I fully expect to be slammed for this. What do all these posts about gaming the system to get early results say about the character of some of the new grads/nurse candidates? One of the prime requisites of being a nurse is good judgement. Boasting about or encouraging fraudulent behavior by using inaccurate or inadequate credit card information to get test results hours or days quicker does not speak well of one's judgement and maturity. Is this what we accept from our colleagues?
It may be harsh but I think this is a matter of integrity. I understand impatience very well, I understand wanting to know if all the work of school paid off, what I don't understand is how easily one can ignore the lessons of integrity and professionalism.
If one can lie to a faceless testing company how one respond when faced with a potential life threatening situation that requires, patience, integrity, and maturity. It's a slippery slope, a little harmless deception here may reveal character issues that come to light when real harm may be caused.
So, slam me, flame me, whatever, or I hope some will agree with me.
You just said everything I've been wanting to.... I need to learn
If you ever get the chance take a couple courses in logic. Best thing that ever happened to me. If you can figure out how to be more concise in your writing than me you'll be better off. I'm pretty sure half the people here scroll past my walls of text. :)
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If you ever get the chance take a couple courses in logic. Best thing that ever happened to me. If you can figure out how to be more concise in your writing than me you'll be better off. I'm pretty sure half the people here scroll past my walls of text. :)
Just want to co-sign the advice to take logic courses. I actually tricked myself into it as the course title was "Philosophy". I thought we'd be talking about Jean-Paul Sartre and Plato and stuff. Best mistake I ever made.
I'm not even concerned with what is legal in regards to the PVT. To me, if something is legal, that is not synonymous with ethical or moral.
Whether or not it is legal to engage in certain conduct has limited bearing on whether it is ethical or moral.
Is it unethical or immoral to use the PVT? I don't know. But I do think it shows a certain level of immaturity that I find annoying.
Am I being judgmental? Maybe, maybe not.
We all have different things that bug us. Learning to recognize our own biases and to suspend them in order to meet another person's needs is a part of nursing practice.
Being sssoooooo nervous about your results that you just can't possibly wait, and are willing to blow $200 just so you don't have to wait, to me, shows poor judgment, lack of impulse control, immaturity, and is irritating.
If you are my patient, I will be aware of my bias and will suspend judgment in order to make sure your needs are met. If you are my co-worker, classmate, or an anonymous poster on an internet forum, I have no such obligation, and I will voice my opinion freely.
I don't care whether it's legal, ethical, or moral- I still think it speaks volumes about your character.
Are there things about me that you could pass judgment on? Absolutely! But it's really irrelevant to the question at hand.
I'm not even concerned with what is legal in regards to the PVT. To me, if something is legal, that is not synonymous with ethical or moral.
Well, at least we agree on something. :)
Being sssoooooo nervous about your results that you just can't possibly wait, and are willing to blow $200 just so you don't have to wait, to me, shows poor judgment, lack of impulse control, immaturity, and is irritating.
You're unique! I think (I'm not really keeping track). Other people said that being willing to blow $200 was what made it okay, and that not being willing to blow $200 is what made it wrong. Morality is, for better or worse, not black and white.
If you are my patient, I will be aware of my bias and will suspend judgment in order to make sure your needs are met. If you are my co-worker, classmate, or an anonymous poster on an internet forum, I have no such obligation, and I will voice my opinion freely.
Did anyone suggest you shouldn't express your opinions freely? I'd have words with that person. Exchanging opinions is important. Echo chambers are comforting but not very useful for examining whether our positions really make sense.
I don't care whether it's legal, ethical, or moral- I still think it speaks volumes about your character.
Are there things about me that you could pass judgment on? Absolutely! But it's really irrelevant to the question at hand.
Isn't it the entire question at hand? Whether we should judge people who do the PVT (or do it without being willing to spend $200... or do it and be willing to spend $200... or some other permutation) as impetuous immoral slackers?
Well, you'll be pleased to know then that many posters here aren't nurses at all, so calling NURSES harsh judges seems a bit, well, harsh. YOU posted here as a non-nurse, no?
Speak for yourself. The fact that you think everyone on the planet does the same types of things that you are willing to do says a lot about your mentality.
You are claiming you've never lied in your life? Wow. Your poop must smell mighty nice.
Isn't it the entire question at hand? Whether we should judge people who do the PVT (or do it without being willing to spend $200... or do it and be willing to spend $200... or some other permutation) as impetuous immoral slackers?
I'm with you up until the "immoral" part. For me it has nothing to do with morality, but the quality of a person's character who chooses short term gratification over exercising patience and delaying gratification.
While clearly, many see no virtue in waiting when there is a quick and easy workaround, and nobody is being harmed, I wonder what is the harm in just waiting? Is it because you want what you want when you want it? What does that say about who you are? What's it going to be like for you when you get that first job out of nursing school and find out that nursing isn't what it's cracked up to be?
Meh. I don't really care if people do the PVT or don't do it, but I do find the impulsivity and lack of patience off-putting, and a reflection of what kind of person one is. That is the question at hand, IMO.
Access to information is something that has never been a problem with my generation. The Internet has always been around and I've been able to find information very quickly.
I don't think it's about instant gratification, if you find out you failed it isn't exactly the best news. If waiting for results is synonymous with being a decent nurse then everyone who pays for a quick result is a "horrible" nurse.
Why is delaying gratification better, should a nurse prophylactically treat pain or delay treatment so a patient can experience delayed gratification?
I think there is a balance between instant/delayed gratification.
Access to information is something that has never been a problem with my generation. The Internet has always been around and I've been able to find information very quickly.
I don't think it's about instant gratification, if you find out you failed it isn't exactly the best news. If waiting for results is synonymous with being a decent nurse then everyone who pays for a quick result is a "horrible" nurse.
Why is delaying gratification better, should a nurse prophylactically treat pain or delay treatment so a patient can experience delayed gratification?
I think there is a balance between instant/delayed gratification.
If you ever get the chance take a couple courses in logic. Best thing that ever happened to me. If you can figure out how to be more concise in your writing than me you'll be better off. I'm pretty sure half the people here scroll past my walls of text. :)
I don't. You hide little wisdom nuggets in your rambly posts. Plus, I'm a rambler as well. :)
How does instant gratification effect a nurses care of their patient?
The way it's being explained isn't using a credit card the most immoral thing ever? You use a credit card when you know you don't have funds for a purchase on hand.
"You're paying for the test using money that you don't have." That's the kind of logic being used here.
PearsonVue is the company that provides registration and administration of the test, if you don't get a chance to take the test isn't Pearson commiting fraud by refusing a refund for services not completed.
Sorry, I don't understand the analogy between making a bet and trying the PVT with a low fund gift card.
I really like to text my friend at 9pm every evening. It is "thing" and I like it, and nothing is going to get in the way of it. Only I work 3-11. So at 7pm I decide to give all of my patients their evening meds. Even the sleepers, who cares if they are up for the day at 3am, for the night nurse to deal with, and HEY at least the night aide will have am care done for the day shift. So I run around and do this. And text my friend at 9pm. Then at 10pm, I start charting, fudging the med times a little as to make it seem like I gave meds on time. I have other things to do at 9. It is an inconvenience to me to wait. So whatever, night meds can be given anytime at night. And this works for me. Taking it up a step, at 10pm (well within the "hour before or after" policy) I scan stickers and med packets one after the other so it looks like I gave the meds on time.
This is of course a total made up example, however, just a small example of a nurse who puts their own needs in front of the job that they need to do for patients or their need for instant gratification.
"Well, other nurses do this and it is not a big thing" vs. "Other test takers do this, and it is not a big deal". In both cases one is attempting to manipulate a system to satisfy their own personal needs.
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If you ever get the chance take a couple courses in logic. Best thing that ever happened to me. If you can figure out how to be more concise in your writing than me you'll be better off. I'm pretty sure half the people here scroll past my walls of text. :)