Okay, I fully expect to be slammed for this. What do all these posts about gaming the system to get early results say about the character of some of the new grads/nurse candidates? One of the prime requisites of being a nurse is good judgement. Boasting about or encouraging fraudulent behavior by using inaccurate or inadequate credit card information to get test results hours or days quicker does not speak well of one's judgement and maturity. Is this what we accept from our colleagues?
It may be harsh but I think this is a matter of integrity. I understand impatience very well, I understand wanting to know if all the work of school paid off, what I don't understand is how easily one can ignore the lessons of integrity and professionalism.
If one can lie to a faceless testing company how one respond when faced with a potential life threatening situation that requires, patience, integrity, and maturity. It's a slippery slope, a little harmless deception here may reveal character issues that come to light when real harm may be caused.
So, slam me, flame me, whatever, or I hope some will agree with me.
Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
I think people object to the fact that Walmart pays low wages and a number of its employees are on welfare.
I object to that fact. However, Walmart has driven all the other retail establishments in my parents' small corner of the world completely out of business, so it's Walmart or drive 100 miles.
I agree that it's wrong to give false information in payment for something when one does not actually intend to pay. It's wrong. Not "technically wrong" but just wrong.
The person who paid the "unnecessary $200" had a choice to pay or not to pay; I don't consider them "injured" by having their credit card charged. Had they not wanted to incur a charge, they could have paid the $8 for the quick results and waited 48 hours. Or waited until the regular results came. Millions of us did just that -- and weren't harmed by it.
And I'm thinking that PV may be "hurt" by processing all of the fraudulent credit card charges. Someone's time and energy goes into tracking that down.
I agree with everything you've stated above. I would still be comfortable receiving care from a nurse who did the PVT.
This is only my opinion, but I believe intent plays a big role in morality. *Most* students who use the PVT are unaware of the negative effects it may have on Pearson employees. To me, using the PVT trick and stealing from a store (an example mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread) are on different levels. The PVT person was not trying to do harm and was (probably) unaware of the harm that may have been caused; the person who shoplifted knew it was against the law and knew it could negatively effect multiple people. To me, there is a difference. I understand others may not agree, which is fine.
I definitely think using the PVT trick is morally wrong. I just don't think it means that the person who did it is a horrible person. But now that the issue has been discussed and members have been made aware of the possibility of negative affects on Pearson employees, I would hope AN members would at least think twice before using the PVT.
PearsonVue isn't harmed when someone tries the PVT trick. They would incur a charge if the payment went through not for trying to process it. It's an automated service so a actual person's time isn't wasted when the PVT is done.
Not related to this thread, but not totally unrelated, since we are now discussing logic and philosophy in some posts. I have also taken courses in philosophy.
I successfully argued in my term paper that Mediaography is not harmful because it exists on a continuum. There is Mediaography in every day media.
Whether you agree or disagree is moot. My point is that pretty much anything can be justified or logically debated.
That doesn't make it right, morally or legally, depending on the concept.
PearsonVue isn't harmed when someone tries the PVT trick. They would incur a charge if the payment went through not for trying to process it. It's an automated service so a actual person's time isn't wasted when the PVT is done.
Except there's this one tiny thing all of you are forgetting. Those of you who are getting charged the $200 and finding out you actually passed ( which seems to be happening more often) and are planning on having the charges reversed by your bank what exactly are you telling the bank? That the charge is fraudulent? Because last I checked they don't reverse the charges just because you changed your mind. So are you claiming PV illegally charged your card? How is that ethical and how does that not harm PV?
PearsonVue isn't harmed when someone tries the PVT trick. They would incur a charge if the payment went through not for trying to process it. It's an automated service so a actual person's time isn't wasted when the PVT is done.
NOW you are. But did you not post as a CNA? You say 2+ years of CNA experience, yet a new nurse. You've been a member for 2+ years. I'm no math expert, but....
You got me! I used to be a CNA back in the early 2000s before I ever found this site. Good mathing (and sleuthing), badger!
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I object to that fact. However, Walmart has driven all the other retail establishments in my parents' small corner of the world completely out of business, so it's Walmart or drive 100 miles.