Honestly, I see no difference between an ADN or ASN and a BSN. I do not think going for my Bachelors will improve my nursing judgment nor will It add to my science or medical knowledge. I think a bachelor degree in nursing can improve managerial skills and give me theories that are absolutely ridiculous.
Today, I walked into a home care agency for employment. The recruiter told me she could not hire me because I did not hold a bachelor degree and it would be illegal for me to work in home care without one. I do not know what that was about, but I work in home care and that is not true.
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My #1 BURNING question to you is what do you think about the whole Associate vs Bachelor Degree in Nursing controversy? In actual clinical/ theoretical practice, is one better than the other?
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Today's incident prompted me to think: what if I simply lied about having a bachelor's degree? I mean they don't really check do they?
Anyway, just wanted to say the job market in NYC isn't too bad. many agencies and small home care companies are willing to take new grads with no experience. although the agencies like to give undesirable positions psych and school nurses, it's still an opportunity.
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One more thing, this is something I actually do and have done. For the purpose of making my resume look attractive, and making sure everything fits on one page, I condense my resume. So for the past year, I worked in home care as a home health aide. However I recently moved to another company to work in home care as an RN. On my resume it is all under one company, my RN and HHA jobs, when it is actually two different companies. And then I may fabricate the years or move volunteer exp to a more current date. No one is going to jail over that, promise you. And I know for sure at least everyone of you are guilty of this. So jump off your high horses and stop pretending. If you never lied on a resume, then you are simply not human.
Oh, I PROMISE I am FULLY HUMAN! I don't lie on my resume because getting caught would be humiliating, embarrassing, and grounds for termination. They do certified comprehensive background checks for every job I ever applied to (RN and otherwise) if they are considering hiring you. that background check is going to reveal enough that the lies would come out and then you look like a sneaky lying fraudulent fool. Maybe a quarter century ago when background checks were not done, and technology didn't make it easy to find out about a person, then some people lied on resumes, but in today's world a lie is not worth the humiliation of being caught.
As far as lying about your degree that is out and out fraud. I don't know if it can result in loss of license or not, but I would think it probably could in some states if it was reported. Even if not though, what happens when you are asked to show your degree? Are you going to forge it, or just walk away hanging your head in shame.
You are so very wrong that "everyone lies", and I have to wonder if the reason you aren't getting hired is that everyone gets caught!
For one thing, if your register is anything like ours, it has your qualification on it, as well as your registration number and the date when you qualified.
And for another thing what do you say when your employer catches on that you lied?
"sorry I didnt think it mattered"
How could they have any confidence in you as a nurse if you cant be trusted to be honest about the most basic of things.
It would be a violation of principle 7 and 8 of our code of conduct act with integrity to justify the consumers trust and maintain public trust and confidence in the nursing profession.
People have lied about their education. Even a high ranking CEO got called out and lost his job when the lies were discovered years later. Sadly I don't remember his name. But I remember it made the news and apparently is not that uncommon of a practice. The person was found out when HR did a background check on all the employees. Just like my hospital asking for everybody's transcripts even those working there for years! Who knows why? Maybe they were looking for fakes.
But there is simply no reason to lie in the first place since you are currently in a RN-BSN program just include that and anticipated graduation date if known. Sometimes places will still hire an ADN especially if they are already enrolled in a BSN program on the condition they get their BSN by a certain deadline.
Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
There are also tons of nursing skills that only BSN prepared nurses can do because they received the extra education/experience for it.
Although I am fully cognizant this is not another ASN versus BSN debate, I feel compelled to point out that associate degree nurses have the exact same scope of practice as baccalaureate degree nurses.
So tell me about the 'tons' of nursing skills that only BSN-prepared RNs can perform. I personally made the transition from ASN to BSN, and my scope of practice has remained unchanged. I am really dying to know about the nursing skills I can now perform due to conferral of a baccalaureate degree in nursing.
Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
Exactly! Thanks to anyone who avoided belittling. And to the lynching mob (very much like nursing culture as we know it today), you guys are absolutely ridiculous. There's absolutely no way one can lose their license over stretching the truth of having a BSN if they are in an RN-BSN program or an ADN flat out lying about have a BSN.
Perhaps not in the US, you seem to have different standards and some not good, for example 5+ attempts at NCLEX
If you were a nurse in New Zealand who was found to be lying about your qualifications, not only do you face loss of job, you also face temporary/permanent deregistration depending on how egregious your deception was.
If you lie about such basics as your qualifications, how the hell can you be trusted to work with some of societies most vulnerable
If you never lied on a resume, then you are simply not human.
Cant let this pass without challenge
Never lied on my CV. Never had the need to. My degrees and other qualifications were 100% earned by me. Did consider outlaying $49.99 to get an online Masters in Nursing, decided to go for real deal from an accredited university. Guess that makes me some form of alien
Did use the skills gained from voluntary work to cover a gap in my work history about 15 years ago, when I had a break of 2 years due to mental illness. Had the employer asked about the nature of the work eg paid versus voluntary, wouldnt have lied. And while it wasnt paid work, the employer and the job description were described accurately
Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
Ok, I will take your word for it.
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I thought that was covered under "excellent critical thinking skills".
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Dishonesty is not remotely compatible with excellent critical thinking skills. Its like trying to transfuse a patient with blood group O+ and giving them AB- and crossing your fingers hoping it wont kill them
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