LIAR: ADN RN prompted to lie about holding a BSN... is it passable?

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Honestly, I see no difference between an ADN or ASN and a BSN. I do not think going for my Bachelors will improve my nursing judgment nor will It add to my science or medical knowledge. I think a bachelor degree in nursing can improve managerial skills and give me theories that are absolutely ridiculous.

Today, I walked into a home care agency for employment. The recruiter told me she could not hire me because I did not hold a bachelor degree and it would be illegal for me to work in home care without one. I do not know what that was about, but I work in home care and that is not true.

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My #1 BURNING question to you is what do you think about the whole Associate vs Bachelor Degree in Nursing controversy? In actual clinical/ theoretical practice, is one better than the other?

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Today's incident prompted me to think: what if I simply lied about having a bachelor's degree? I mean they don't really check do they?

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Anyway, just wanted to say the job market in NYC isn't too bad. many agencies and small home care companies are willing to take new grads with no experience. although the agencies like to give undesirable positions psych and school nurses, it's still an opportunity.

Specializes in 15 years in ICU, 22 years in PACU.
I just realized this is in the Male Student Nurse Forum. Not sure why but thought I ought to mention that in case there was a reason for placing the post in this forum.

I possess the XX.

OMG I didn't even notice. Maybe this should be under "Nurses with a Criminal Future".

Now I'm just being a smart ass, so put it in "Men in Nursing".

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I highly doubt the OP was really considering lying about her credentials.

This appears to be nothing more than a hypothetical question out of frustration.

Exactly! Thanks to anyone who avoided belittling. And to the lynching mob (very much like nursing culture as we know it today), you guys are absolutely ridiculous. There's absolutely no way one can lose their license over stretching the truth of having a BSN if they are in an RN-BSN program or an ADN flat out lying about have a BSN. An RN job is an RN job, ADN or BSN. You can't be charged for working a BSN job as an ADN. This is not the case of a mere RN claiming to be an NP. People lose their license over diverting drugs, taking drugs, lying under renewal application processes, and missing appointments or meetings with the BON. If you do not believe me or you'd like to disprove me, find me a license revocation courtroom/ BON document, were an ADN nurse lost her/his license over lying about having a BSN. It is highly possible to get away with it and even getting caught, legally not much can be done. Let's be realistic. It's not fraud, In the courts eyes it can only be presented as a character flaw.

It was a hypothetical question, and what I really wanted to get to was actual opinions about the BSN versus ADN. And if like me, do people think it's absolutely great or nonsense.

[COLOR=#000000]I think that those who Love and work in the areas you considered undesirable may take offense to that statement. Just because they may not be your area of preference, does not mean they are undesirable.[/COLOR]

One man's trash is another man's treasure. For the most part, new nurses do not want to work psych. Often a new nurses may start in pych to gain experience and within 6 months to 1 year, find another job in a different specialty. I have a lot of respect for people who can actually do it, but I'd rather not. A spade is a spade, it is not a desirable or highly sought out specialty.

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One more thing, this is something I actually do and have done. For the purpose of making my resume look attractive, and making sure everything fits on one page, I condense my resume. So for the past year, I worked in home care as a home health aide. However I recently moved to another company to work in home care as an RN. On my resume it is all under one company, my RN and HHA jobs, when it is actually two different companies. And then I may fabricate the years or move volunteer exp to a more current date. No one is going to jail over that, promise you. And I know for sure at least everyone of you are guilty of this. So jump off your high horses and stop pretending. If you never lied on a resume, then you are simply not human.

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Specializes in AGNP.

Is this an April Fools? Lying about your degrees, credentials, experience, etc is a great way to get yourself the chance of never working in nursing again

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Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
OMG I didn't even notice. Maybe this should be under "Nurses with a Criminal Future".

Now I'm just being a smart ass, so put it in "Men in Nursing".

And you said that before his more recent post. Yikes.

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Specializes in 15 years in ICU, 22 years in PACU.

I think I'd leave "Sneaky and proud of it" off your resume too.

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And I know for sure at least everyone of you are guilty of this. So jump off your high horses and stop pretending. If you never lied on a resume, then you are simply not human.

I'm not even going to comment on the rest of this post, but I can't let this last statement pass. Have you ever noticed how dishonest people always assume that everyone else is equally dishonest? I, for one, have never had anything untrue (or even mildly misleading) on my CV, and can't imagine ever doing so. I'm quite sure that I'm not the only one here who hasn't. Exactly how does that make us "simply not human"??

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Specializes in Critical Care.

I had to give my transcripts from nursing school to work just last year. Everyone was required to give their transcripts. I don't even know why. It would be stupid to lie about having a BSN. It is just too easy to verify if someone has a degree. If you are caught not only would you lose your job but they would probably report you to the board of nursing and then you might lose your license to practice at all. It's just not worth it!

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I had to give my transcripts from nursing school to work just last year. Everyone was required to give their transcripts. I don't even know why. It would be stupid to lie about having a BSN. It is just too easy to verify if someone has a degree. If you are caught not only would you lose your job but they would probably report you to the board of nursing and then you might lose your license to practice at all. It's just not worth it!

Ok, I will take your word for it.

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I thought that was covered under "excellent critical thinking skills".

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Hey, just the other day I interviewed for a position as a trauma surgeon. They told me I had to have an MD and a 6-year residency. It made me realize I need to lie next time I get interviewed because, well, getting an MD is pointless, and everyone lies on their resume anyway.

losing your license would be the least of your worries. you'd go to prison. You are a nurse, not a medical doctor.

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Specializes in orthopedic/trauma, Informatics, diabetes.

I too, had to give a copy of my degree wen hired. there is a difference. Just finished my RN-BSN and started annoyed that I had to do it, but after, I learned a lot. I have a bachelor and a masters in other fields, but the BSN DID make a difference.

oh, and BTW NEVER lied on a resume. Didn't have to.

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Specializes in Critical Care.

As for ADN vs BSN there are many other posts about this. The truth is ADN is quicker and cheaper, but it may become a trap if you stay an ADN. It will limit future job and career options, make it harder to go back to school for an NP if you want out of the bedside rat race. Some hospitals across the country have already mandated all their RN's have a BSN by 2020 or lose their job, no grandfathering of older, experienced nurses. Employers can do whatever they want. It would simply be smart to get your BSN for peace of mind, just try to spend as little money as possible!

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Specializes in critical care.

Your moral compass is severely shattered. But, that's coming from me, a non-human who has never been stupid enough to lie on a resume. I'm baffled as to how a BSN-required job interview would prompt a person to lie about their credentials, as your title of this thread indicates. Where exactly do you draw the line in your qualifications?

Hey, just the other day I interviewed for a position as a trauma surgeon. They told me I had to have an MD and a 6-year residency. It made me realize I need to lie next time I get interviewed because, well, getting an MD is pointless, and everyone lies on their resume anyway.

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I can't believe this is for real. I am in complete denial about this thread.

Ethics? Integrity? Honesty? Trustworthiness? Does any of this mean ANYTHING anymore?

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