Kern County ER Docs C-19

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4 hours ago, Nurse SMS said:

Yes, but the whole country does not use marginal credentials to gain a pulpit. I am not saying they are wrong. But I am saying I don't consider them to be a valid source.

Who does?

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

Kern Public Health responds to doctors who say county should reopen immediately

“I’ve talked to the head of the California Department of Public Health. I’ve gotten their opinion on this and a lot of the leaders in Sacramento, and we’re all in agreement, but we need to have Governor Newsom in agreement with us to lift this (stay-at-home order). I’ve talked to our local head of the Health Department. Even though they’re in agreement with me, they’re waiting for the powers that be to lift.”

Those are words from Dr. Dan Erickson, who along with Dr. Artin Massihi, own the largest testing site in Kern county, Accelerated Urgent Care.

In response, Kern Public health spokesperson Michelle Corson stated, “our director has not concurred with the statements that were made yesterday about the need to re-open at this time.”...

... “You can be asymptomatic and not know you’re sick and you can be spreading COVID-19,” Corson said.

Doctors Erickson and Massihi believe everyone without symptoms should return to work immediately. Public Health disagrees... Public Health worries that encouraging people to leave home will only prolong the time we have to stay there...

... “If you are going to dance on someone’s constitutional rights, you better have a good reason.” Erickson said.

And Public Health says, COVID-19 is a good reason.

“People are entitled to their opinion, and they are entitled to speak about this topic as they wish,” Corson said. “I want to just reiterate we do not agree with the statements that were made.”...

https://www.kget.com/health/coronavirus/kern-public-health-responds-to-doctors-who-say-county-should-reopen-immediately/

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Here’s a succinct summarization:

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”Bakersfield, CA – Two physicians who don’t actually work in Emergency Rooms or at real hospitals have recently made waves with a Youtube video and subsequent interviews where they claim to know more about COVID19 than Dr. Fauci and every other physician actually working in ER’s and hospitals across the world.

For the rest, go to https://gomerblog.com/2020/04/breaking-urgent-care-owners-losing-money-lie-in-attempt-to-regain-income/

If you are not familiar with gomerblog, it is medical satire written by & for medical professionals. Very funny, cutting & spot on.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

California doctors with dubious COVID conclusions debunked

Health experts were quick to say the doctors’ findings were misguided and riddled with statistical errors...

... The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.”

And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates in reality are far higher than the ones the doctors presented. “They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said...

... California state Sen. Richard Pan, a pediatrician who chairs the Senate Health Committee, said lawmakers who favor reopening the state had not yet cited the Bakersfield doctors’ conclusions as a justification to do so. But if they did, they’d “be on pretty weak ground,” he said. The doctors “basically hyped a bunch of data and weren’t transparent about their methods. And they really played on the fact that they’re physicians. I think it’s quite disingenuous of them.” Pan said. “Then we have to push back on any media that promotes this information...

... Michigan emergency room doctor Rob Davidson wrote on Twitter. “When they tell Fox viewers to ignore recommendations from real experts, many will believe them…The impact of rejecting science-proven recommendations in exchange for these erroneous ideas would overwhelm health systems and cost lives...

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/

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On 4/25/2020 at 10:41 AM, Emergent said:

I hope our leadership is able to shift gears and react to this new information, instead of digging in their heels. People are rightfully concerned about what could be a bigger calamity , the Meltdown of the US economy.

Honestly - I absolutely understand both sides. I have seen patients with COVID completely crash right in front of me. I have seen patients dying/die alone with this. I have seen patients come in by ambulance and there was no hope and no chance. I have seen my coworkers - nurses, physicians, techs - get sick and a select few become very sick from contracting covid.

However, I also think if this continues, it will become another Great Depression or worse. Everyone is on edge with jobs, even nursing jobs! Critical care nursing jobs are much more secure than other jobs, but even those are becoming unstable due to low census (but high acuity which is dangerous when all the staff were flexed). Freestanding ERs are being shut down - possibly permanently. The other ERs are flexing or shutting down hiring. I think it is a catch 22 situation.....there is no right answer....but everything can't be shut down forever or it will cause the collapse of yet another country.

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I remember in school 25 + years about immunity and thought everything must have changed w/ immunity. Once I heard this video W/ the two Dr’s from a California urgent care. I have heard podcast concurring what the Dr’s found from the California studies.

As more states do testing it will be interesting to hear the data. I have read post that the Dr’s are out for financial gain.

The videos from the scientists juniper222 posted were intriguing also.

it’s great hearing from different groups regarding these present and upcoming studies.

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Not sure who originally said this, but you know what they say: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

First thing we should do with statistics is examine them relentlessly--what was asked, who was the sample, what is it being compared to? and on and on and on, thus helping us figure out whether this is science or mere opinion disguised as 'science'. These guys are not presenting science.

Seems herring_RN found the article that cracks this case wide open--great job!

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23 hours ago, juniper222 said:

In many hospitals, doctors have said that they were instructed to fill out certificates claiming COD to be Corona when those patients had preexisting conditions that put them at high risk.

Year of the "mask"

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2 hours ago, HiddenAngels said:

Year of the "mask" 

image.thumb.png.b093fae19ab3a978beeacd12cbeb783d.pngGov. Andrew Cuomo displayed a mural of donated masks from across the country to New York during a coronavirus briefing on April 29. 2020.

(Photo: Joseph Spector, USA TODAY Network New York)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/04/29/andrew-cuomo-new-york-mural-donated-masks-ny-then-social-media-weighed/3049279001/

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On 4/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, herring_RN said:

California doctors with dubious COVID conclusions debunked

Health experts were quick to say the doctors’ findings were misguided and riddled with statistical errors...

... The doctors should never have assumed that the patients they tested — who came for walk-in COVID-19 tests or who sought urgent care for symptoms they experienced in the middle of a pandemic — are representative of the general population, said Dr. Carl Bergstrom, a University of Washington biologist who specializes in infectious disease modeling. He likened their extrapolations to “estimating the average height of Americans from the players on an NBA court.”

And most credible studies of COVID-19 death rates in reality are far higher than the ones the doctors presented. “They’ve used methods that are ludicrous to get results that are completely implausible,” Bergstrom said...

Above is incorrect. The doctors were very clear they were only making comments based on their data for the Bakersfield area. They were also very clear when they extrapolated. Every single sample testing conducted so far, in different parts of the country, has indicated the prevalence of COVID to be far higher than expected. This means the death rate is far lower than originally projected. The current consensus seems to be 0.5 to 0.1 range.

On 4/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, herring_RN said:

... California state Sen. Richard Pan, a pediatrician who chairs the Senate Health Committee, said lawmakers who favor reopening the state had not yet cited the Bakersfield doctors’ conclusions as a justification to do so. But if they did, they’d “be on pretty weak ground,” he said. The doctors “basically hyped a bunch of data and weren’t transparent about their methods. And they really played on the fact that they’re physicians. I think it’s quite disingenuous of them.” Pan said. “Then we have to push back on any media that promotes this information...

Pan is wrong. We need to consider reopening by specific city and region. That's what the doctors in the video said, too. We can't treat Bakersfield like NYC.

In fact, 6 Calif counties have appealed to Gov Newsom to reopen their counties because they have not had a significant issue with COVID.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/27/rural-california-counties-want-to-end-coronavirus-lockdown/

On 4/28/2020 at 8:44 PM, herring_RN said:

... Michigan emergency room doctor Rob Davidson wrote on Twitter. “When they tell Fox viewers to ignore recommendations from real experts, many will believe them…The impact of rejecting science-proven recommendations in exchange for these erroneous ideas would overwhelm health systems and cost lives...

https://www.dailynews.com/2020/04/28/california-doctors-with-dubious-covid-conclusions-debunked/

Since when is science a religion? Real science is always open to discussion, debate, and new findings. Science is never "settled." COVID is very new, so we don't know very much at all. More and more doctors are now coming forward and expressing doubts about whether this lockdown approach was correct or should continue.

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Another doctor that does a beautiful job explaining why our lockdown approach may have been wrong and that we need to start lifting the lockdown is Dr. David Katz. He was on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher, of all things, but see his links below:

https://davidkatzmd.com/coronavirus-information-and-resources/

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/22/opinion/coronavirus-economy.html#commentsContainer

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/opinion/coronavirus-pandemic-social-distancing.html

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25 minutes ago, FullGlass said:

Above is incorrect. The doctors were very clear they were only making comments based on their data for the Bakersfield area. They were also very clear when they extrapolated. Every single sample testing conducted so far, in different parts of the country, has indicated the prevalence of COVID to be far higher than expected. This means the death rate is far lower than originally projected. The current consensus seems to be 0.5 to 0.1 range.

Pan is wrong. We need to consider reopening by specific city and region. That's what the doctors in the video said, too. We can't treat Bakersfield like NYC.

In fact, 6 Calif counties have appealed to Gov Newsom to reopen their counties because they have not had a significant issue with COVID.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/27/rural-california-counties-want-to-end-coronavirus-lockdown/

Since when is science a religion? Real science is always open to discussion, debate, and new findings. Science is never "settled." COVID is very new, so we don't know very much at all. More and more doctors are now coming forward and expressing doubts about whether this lockdown approach was correct or should continue.

THANK YOU for reiterating what I have become so sick of having to reiterate.

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