Kern County ER Docs C-19

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
5 hours ago, Emergent said:

One thing that strikes me is that we were given the rationale that we would run out of ventilators. In the meantime, treatment protocols have changed. Statistics point to the fact that roughly 90% of people with covid-19 put on ventilators die anyways.

I'm wondering what is happening in the hot spots. Are they still jumping to intubating immediately?

I did a covid-19 crisis RN job in western Washington. They were still sticking to the intubate first mantra when I was there. EMS and the doc would intubate out in the tents. EMS was avoiding intubating in their rigs. The Surge never substantially materialized over there, although I definitely took care of covid-19 patients.

Thank you. After reading this physician's opinion I purchased a pulse oximeter and yesterday began giving them to family and friends along with the link to or copy of the article.)

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The Infection That’s Silently Killing Coronavirus Patients

This is what I learned during 10 days of treating Covid pneumonia at Bellevue Hospital.

I volunteered to spend 10 days at Bellevue, helping at the hospital where I trained. Over those days, I realized that we are not detecting the deadly pneumonia the virus causes early enough and that we could be doing more to keep patients off ventilators — and alive...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/Sunday/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html

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2 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

The CDC does the same thing. When there isn't enough raw data they have to make projections. These two are just saying that they believe there are lurking variables in that data that will change the results. In many hospitals, doctors have said that they were instructed to fill out certificates claiming COD to be Corona when those patients had preexisting conditions that put them at high risk. The bottom line is we need more accurate data to come to any conclusion. I don't think their opinions should be dismissed until we know for certain. In fact there are other professionals who would agree with them.

Who explicitly trusts the CDC anymore? They have bungled this just as much as anyone. Maybe the physicians' opinions should not be dismissed but unfortunately people are conflating their opinions into facts. We are experiencing an entirely different scenario in my state. It speaks volumes that their own professional organization is rebuking them.

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5 hours ago, Hoosier_RN said:

Last night, I heard on the news that this video was removed because it goes against the WHO and CDC. I can't find it using a general search today. This is censorship at its finest, and raises more red flags than the video itself did!

ETA- I just did another search. There are snippets of video, but the original, full length is buried way down the list. I wish I could remember which channel, CNN or MSNBC reported this. I was flipping through and he told me to turn that garbage off (he's a big FOX fan), only reason I know it had to be one of those 2

What is next? six women claiming they were raped by these doctors? Google has been engaging in censorship for a while now. A very dangerous thing to do!

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Specializes in School Nursing.

These doctors have a financial interest in getting everyone out and about again.

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, lifelearningrn said:

These doctors have a financial interest in getting everyone out and about again.

Plain as day...

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Specializes in ER.

The whole country has financial interest in a more open society.

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Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.
2 minutes ago, Emergent said:

The whole country has financial interest in a more open society.

Yes, but the whole country does not use marginal credentials to gain a pulpit. I am not saying they are wrong. But I am saying I don't consider them to be a valid source.

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19 minutes ago, Nurse SMS said:

Yes, but the whole country does not use marginal credentials to gain a pulpit. I am not saying they are wrong. But I am saying I don't consider them to be a valid source.

there are others who have the same opinion in healthcare. The idea should be look at as a whole. And until their ideas are proven wrong, should remain open to consideration. They may be in fact evil doctors bent on the destruction of the world, but we should focus on their claims.

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Juniper222. Thanks for sharing that video. Great hearing a scientist input of data.

Regarding the two urgent care Dr’s from California I was intrigued with what they say. 25 plus years ago when I was in school we learned about immunity. It was refreshing hearing their perspective. That’s what I learned and have been wondering if research regarding immunity has changed.

I work in Metro Detroit Michigan in a hospital. It’s been interesting comparing what media says vs. what is seen. We were considered a hot spot. Our ER’s have been bare. Our census down.

After listening to the post last night I listened to two random podcast as that’s usually my evening ritual. Usually I don’t listen about cornavirus but decided to search “immunity.” The two podcast I listened to spoke much the same as the 2 Dr’s and scientist.

Thanks everyone for sharing. As the data keeps coming in please continue sharing informational videos.

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Specializes in Critical Care; Cardiac; Professional Development.
24 minutes ago, juniper222 said:

there are others who have the same opinion in healthcare. The idea should be look at as a whole. And until their ideas are proven wrong, should remain open to consideration. They may be in fact evil doctors bent on the destruction of the world, but we should focus on their claims.

This categorization of my quote is bizarre and extreme. I stated I would not consider them to be a reliable source, but that I also was not saying they were wrong.

We do not know enough about this thing to state anything is black or white on it. Should it be within the realm of consideration? Of course. As should many, many other things. However, these individuals have questionable credentials and clear, obvious bias without any blind comparison nor scientifically set up method. It is surface evidence that they are presenting. I will look forward in the coming years to finding out the real nature of what we are dealing with. In the meantime, two gentlemen who happen to have good stage presence presenting a very small smattering of evidence while owning businesses that are suffering greatly right now do not a smoking gun make. Merely another flavor to chew on and one that isn't very substantial.

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4 hours ago, Rogue1 said:

So let me get this straight: these guys are NOT currently ER docs yet they are both wearing scrubs that specifically say "Emergency Physician" and the first guys states they are giving "an ER physician" perspective of what is going on?

If they do not currently work in an ER it seems they are deliberately trying to gain some cred by doing those things. Something does not smell right....

They are ER physicians, or used to be and now own the multiple locations of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield California.

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The irony is that there is a very good argument for looking at this from a regional rather than national perspective.

Areas with limited transmission could open up. My own state is loosening restrictions shortly, and I agree with it even if there is a significant increase in cases. We can handle it.

But, when unfounded stuff like this goes viral, it is counterproductive to it's intent. A couple of clinic docs VS ACEP? Most reasonable people are going to side with ACEP. And, next time, when a similar argument is posed, but with a sound foundation, it will be a much harder sell.

Those guys set there own cause back.

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