Kern County ER Docs C-19

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It is imperative to watch!

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I don't think I can thank you enough for posting this. This shows that many of the facets of this virus that I have given my opinion on were indeed correct. For example, I compared the the death rate of flu to corona and was met with skepticism by certain members of this forum who implied I was not educated.

I found the reporters to be somewhat rude and interruptive but that doesn't surprise me. These guys are awesome!

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Specializes in Dialysis.

Excellent post. I believe that if you want to be cautious, then do so, I plan to continue to look out for myself as I always have. Those who didn't want to be, weren't anyway.

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There are other doctors who have repeated what these two said so they aren't the only ones.

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I know, but many have not given specific data. Those are just ignored as "political pawns". Sheltering in place was never meant to wait out the virus totally. I dont believe that can be done, with any virus. Sheltering was meant to alleviate the healthcare system being overwhelmed everywhere, at once.

You can still become infected, no matter how vigilant you are. A nurse in my town working from home, hubby disabled and stay at home, having groceries delivered. Only way the virus could've got in-as the kids are grown and live away, friends and parents are sheltering in place-is from grocery delivery. People at that store have tested positive. She was down a few days but not with typical symptoms, her employer tested her anyway. She now states that you're not safe no matter how much you lock up. She left the non-perishables out in the sunlight, spray disinfected everything. Like most other illnesses, there is no 100% avoidance except for total lockdown, which isn't sustainable, as we all have to eat, and most don't have a farm/large garden at their disposal

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I will still isolate because I don't wish to get sick. It is interesting to me that actual data is showing something quite different than the predictive model they used when this all started. Even Dr Fouchi warned the media not to jump to any conclusions because we did not have any real data at the time. But they did anyway.

Science is showing that they were wrong and I suspect that political dissent is part of the media storm about how deadly it is. I am horrified when I see people gleeful of the problems we face because of their political leaning.

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Thanks for taking the time to watch this, it's a rather long video. It was sent to me on facebook by two different friends, one is a lefty and one is a righty, and they both took this seriously which made me definitely want to watch it.

There is a lot of drama out there, and it was right to take this virus very seriously. But according to these doctors, they have found that 12% of people in California already have had antibody reactions to this virus, so it is widespread and the death rate is much much much lower than initial reports.

I hope our leadership is able to shift gears and react to this new information, instead of digging in their heels. People are rightfully concerned about what could be a bigger calamity , the Meltdown of the US economy.

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Specializes in Travel, Home Health, Med-Surg.

Thanks for the video. Nice to see someone actually crushing the numbers, using science, and looking at the big picture!

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

Doctors and co-owners of Accelerated Urgent Care in Bakersfield say it may not be necessary anymore for residents to shelter-in-place.

Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi said their facilities have tested over 5,200 patients for the coronavirus throughout the county, making up for over half of all testing in Kern. According to their data, the death rate of the coronavirus is similar in prevalence to the flu. "Now that we have the facts," said Dr. Erickson. "It's time to get back to work."

https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/accelerated-urgent-care-doctors-recommend-lifting-shelter-in-place

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Doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi of Accelerated Urgent Care refuse to wear masks outside. They say the longer people stay inside, the more their immune system drops. They’re calling for Kern County to reopen immediately. “If you have no symptoms, you should be able to return to work,” Erickson said Wednesday. “Are you an asymptomatic viral shedder? Maybe. But we can’t test all of humanity …

… Erickson said COVID-19 is similar to the flu in prevalence and death rate. His numbers, however, don’t mesh with statistics released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

According to the CDC, 34,200 people died from the flu during the 2018-19 season, a death rate of 0.01 percent.

So far, more than 46,000 people have died from the new coronavirus — a death rate of 5.6 percent…

https://www.kget.com/health/coronavirus/doctors-provide-differing-opinion-on-shelter-in-place-order/

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The exact timing and duration of flu seasons can vary, but influenza activity often begins to increase in October. Most of the time flu activity peaks between December and February, although activity can last as late as May.

https://www.CDC.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season.htm

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… The most crucial difference between the flu and the coronavirus is that the latter is far deadlier…

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-compared-seasonal-flu-in-the-us-death-rates-2020-3?op=1

If I am correct the first case of Coronavirus in the United States was diagnosed on January 19, 2020. That was almost three months ago. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

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Depending on the year the flu season lasts five to seven months

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2001191

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The doctors use their data from local cases to infer the real population CFR. Part of that data set looks at asymptomatic individuals. They have not published a study on this but inferred it from the case data. After looking at a revised model came to the conclusion that the CDCs information is not accurate.

Much of the CDCs data is based on inaccurate testing and therefore inaccurate data. Again, it is too early to know with any degree of accuracy what the real numbers are as Dr Fouchi has said many times.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
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Kern County, where the physicians own a chain of urgent care centers, has a population of 839,631 people. It is the third largest county in the state.

The doctors did not state any statistical facts. They did state that the death rate of the coronavirus is similar to the flu. Perhaps it is in the county.

https://suburbanstats.org/population/california/how-many-people-live-in-kern-county

As of April 16th 574 individuals tested positive for COVID-19 in Kern County. Isn't that 5.74%?

I can't find the number for the most recent seasonal influenza cases, but nationwide the death rate is 0.01%.

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/574-cases-of-covid-19-in-kern-county-unveils-new-online-dashboard-for-virus-stats/article_d260204c-8008-11ea-96bc-3b03f5b7dd31.html

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… Erickson said COVID-19 is similar to the flu in prevalence and death rate...

https://www.kget.com/health/coronavirus/doctors-provide-differing-opinion-on-shelter-in-place-order/

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