Kern County ER Docs C-19

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1 hour ago, herring_RN said:

As of April 16th 574 individuals tested positive for COVID-19 in Kern County. Isn't that 5.74%?

I can't find the number for the most recent seasonal influenza cases, but nationwide the death rate is 0.01%.

https://www.bakersfield.com/news/574-cases-of-covid-19-in-kern-county-unveils-new-online-dashboard-for-virus-stats/article_d260204c-8008-11ea-96bc-3b03f5b7dd31.html

The doctors were comparing CFR not new cases to seasonal flu.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
5 hours ago, juniper222 said:

The doctors were comparing CFR not new cases to seasonal flu.

What is "CFR"? Council on Foreign relations?

https://www.thinkglobalhealth.org/

Doctor Erickson said, "COVID-19 is similar to the flu in prevalence and death rate."

https://www.kget.com/health/coronavirus/doctors-provide-differing-opinion-on-shelter-in-place-order/

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
24 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

What is "CFR"?

Case fatality rate

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25 minutes ago, herring_RN said:

What is "CFR"?

case fatality rate

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Yet another doctor claims cases show different statistics.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.
16 hours ago, juniper222 said:

case fatality rate

Thank you and TMB for answering!

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Specializes in ER.

@juniper222 thank you for the link to the video. That is an excellent presentation of data, and a very insightful analysis, in my opinion. He gives excellent insights, in a very dispassionate manner that I appreciate. Top-rate!

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4 minutes ago, Emergent said:

@juniper222 thank you for the link to the video. That is an excellent presentation of data, and a very insightful analysis, in my opinion. He gives excellent insights, in a very dispassionate manner that I appreciate. Top-rate!

It has been suggested that any opinions different than those of some the the members here are the only qualified ones, and that to say otherwise calls into question whether those who dissent are real professionals.

I have provided evidence that there are real professionals, whose qualifications exceed the ones making the accusations, who have an opinions that match our own.

Science is a body of work which allows for the inclusion of new findings and research. To this end I encourage an open mind towards the opinions of other medical professionals and their findings.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

Thank you for posting. I have not yet read the study. I'm going to the post office to send a dozen pulse oximeters to family in Oklahoma, North Carolina, Chicago, and California.

I did find a , article about this and other studies.

Here is a link to the study:

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COVID-19 Antibody Seroprevalence in Santa Clara County, California

Eran Bendavid1 , Bianca Mulaney2 , Neeraj Sood3 , Soleil Shah2 , Emilia Ling2 , Rebecca Bromley-Dulfano2 , Cara Lai2 , Zoe Weissberg2 , Rodrigo Saavedra-Walker4 , Jim Tedrow5 , Dona Tversky6 , Andrew Bogan7 , Thomas Kupiec8 , Daniel Eichner9 , Ribhav Gupta10, John P.A. Ioannidis1,10, Jay Bhattacharya1

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.14.20062463v1.full.pdf

Consumer Beware: Coronavirus Antibody Tests Are Still A Work In Progress

By JoNel Aleccia April 27, 2020

... Infectious disease experts are raising pointed questions about the reliability of the early tests and the studies that hinge on their results. And they warn that state and local governments — as well as individuals — should be wary of shaping policy or changing behavior based on any single report...

... “The science is catching up,” said Dr. Liise-anne Pirofski, chief of the division of infectious diseases at the Albert Einstein College of Medicine and Montefiore Health System. “Our ability to make a test at the moment is much greater than our understanding of what those antibodies we are testing for mean.”...

... The FDA has not reviewed the vast majority of tests on the market, and their validity, particularly point-of-care blood tests that promise rapid results within minutes, isn’t clear, said Dr. Michael Busch, director of the Vitalant Research Institute. Antibody tests can’t be used to diagnose the disease...

... Scientists still know too little about whether antibodies to COVID-19 convey immunity that could allow people to put away masks and halt social distancing, said Dr. Mary Hayden, director of the division of clinical Microbiology at Rush University Medical Center in Chicago...

... Scientists are hoping, however, that future COVID-19 studies may demonstrate immunity that could last for one or two years...

... Two serology studies in California, one in Santa Clara County and one in Los Angeles County, drew wide criticism about the recruitment of subjects and the analyses used.

In the Santa Clara study, Stanford University researchers tested 3,330 volunteers for antibodies showing exposure to COVID-19; about 1.5% were positive. They concluded that meant from 48,000 to 81,000 people were infected with the virus in the county.

“It was completely inadequate to interpret the results that 50,000 to 80,000 people were infected,” Busch said...

On the positive side, most of the scientific community has pivoted to focus on finding solutions, said Pirofski, who was also on the IDSA call. “We just have to slow our roll.”

“This is our first dive in trying to understand what’s going on,” she said. “I would say it’s a start.”..

https://khn.org/news/consumer-beware-coronavirus-antibody-tests-are-still-a-work-in-progress/

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@juniper222 interesting and well thought out video, thx for posting. As someone with autoimmune dx I thought the info provided re: the vaccine to be very informative and thought provoking, I hope they do indeed find out what is causing the damage, virus vs hyperactive immune response.

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1 hour ago, juniper222 said:

It has been suggested that any opinions different than those of some the the members here are the only qualified ones, and that to say otherwise calls into question whether those who dissent are real professionals.

I have provided evidence that there are real professionals, whose qualifications exceed the ones making the accusations, who have an opinions that match our own.

Science is a body of work which allows for the inclusion of new findings and research. To this end I encourage an open mind towards the opinions of other medical professionals and their findings.

That's what happened to Semmelweis and Galileo.

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It's interesting how they are former ER doctors who now OWN Urgent Care (NON-CRITICAL Patients) & not getting the volume of patients they normally see, hence NOT making money. Ask hospital ER & attending hospital doctors how they feel about this... I'm an ER RN in Riverside & I agree that CA doesn't have an overwhelming volume of hospital patients due to quarantine, however, we do have critical condition COVID patients. I would love to see these two doctors care for COVID positive ventilated patients with no mask in the hospital. There are alot of conflict of interests in healthcare in America because this is the "land of PROFITS". We should have mass testing: antibody testing for asymptomatic people who work/return to work to see if they are immune & swab testing/quarantine for those who are symptomatic. Slowly re-open places, but maintain social distance/mask precautions. We should be modeling South Korea, who has had no lockdown. The handling of this pandemic by our country is embarrassing. This is not like the regular flu or else these measures would have never been taken place all over the world.

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