I've been bullied all my life, and it continues...

leslie :-D · Apr 28, 2010

So, "Turn the other cheek," and "Reward evil with good," really can work, but the ones you really want to win over are the ones who haven't made up their minds about you. Work hard, show up on time, and be nice to everybody. In a short time, you'll have so many friends, your enemies won't dare cross you.

i have to agree with this...that you really need to kill them with kindness.

it confuses AND irritates them. :lol2:

personally, i prefer to tell them to 'eat **** and die', with my sweetest, most insincere smile.

leslie

wannamakeitthrough · Apr 28, 2010

Dear asdjkl,

I hear the pain you are feeling from being rejected and bullied at work and my heart goes out to you along with my prayers. Keep your eye on the reason you chose to be a nurse.....caring for others. Let your light shine and don't let anyone put it out for you. It sounds like you are the type of nurse that is badly needed in the industry. Too many have "toughened up" and it shows in their bedside manner.

I agree with seeking help if you feel like you are losing control....don't be afraid to ask for it. With the comfort and strength you gain from this experience, you will one day be able to help another that is going through this.

swirlo · Apr 28, 2010

Hi . I have an aid from another country that barely speaks english. She lies on me every morning when she comes in by telling me I don't do my job. After trying to win her with kindness-and getting treated like dirt--I told her off big time. I told her she left a patient on the toilet, all she does is complain and it's getting old, etc. This idiot now asks me how i am, how was my day, etc. One good "tell-off" to these types of people is the way to go. You will never get respect the way you are going now. God knows your heart, but sometimes you got to shake it up alittle. Been there, done that. Good luck!

camoflower · Apr 29, 2010

Hey Target...they are jealous of you! You shine!! Learn this "Targets are better liked, they have more social skills, and quite likely possess greater emotional intelligence. They have empathy (even for their bullies). Colleagues, customers, and management (with exception to the bullies and their sponsors) appreciate the warmth that the targets bring to the workplace".

CHEW ONE OUT REALLY GOOD ...write One UP ! I am about your age and we paddle the same boat..the nice people are considered "weak"...my boss knows how mean they are! She turns a blind eye and a deaf ear!

Management, higher than my manager...heard my pleas, my worries, it doesn't happen as much now ..its weekly instead of daily...but I still want to throw up everyday I drive to work! My off times are lame..I am looking for another job. Higher management wants to talk with me and confront my bullies...I think they'd just get WORSE retribution big time!! I get more patient satisfaction cards..which keeps me employed (with all my write ups...my boss says ignore them, your doing fine - like they haven't ever messed up then she laughs...I cringe lol ) it still makes me sick!! The CSA's jump jump for other nurses...I usually get my own water, empty foleys...set up rooms...they try to do as little as possible...but I AM LEARNING..to speak up..CHEW OUT..tell them to quit interuppting me..How dare you!! ..(I swore I would not become like them...but I think I am a little)..oh and during report ask them what the patients creatine level is or H&H ...keep asking them questions til they get one wrong and ...and then question why they don't know!! then walk away...they will seek out the neewbies...and leave you. PEACE OUT!! (its a worn out phrase..they eat their young..but, grab them by their throats on the way down and bark back into their faces) they'll get the message.

abbnurse · Apr 29, 2010

Dear askjkl,

I haven't seen a post from you for a while.....wow, my heart really goes out to you. You absolutely sound like you're at the end of your rope, and it sounds like you're not getting any support from anyone in your life. I just want to tell you, clearly you ARE a strong person, look at all you've overcome!

As someone posted earlier, most bullies are insecure and depressed, I know that doesn't make tolerating their behavior any easier, but just a thought. If I could, I would just like to suggest that you look into some private counseling or( as others have posted) your employee assistance program.....you can only take so much, dear girl, and I think you know that!

I wish I could give you a huge giant hug. And about your witchy co-workers.....remember, they have to BE themselves everyday....wouldn't that be awful ?

Take care of you.....ask for help......let your bright light shine!

blairparks · Apr 29, 2010

Dear 'being bullied'

I have certainly witnessed, been the receiver of and discussed at length the very same situation you have described yourself going through. So I would like to over my advice and hope that it helps you. This is the first time I have written here, but I felt so moved by your situation.

As the receiver, I initially reacted exactly like you are! Then my husband had a training class for his work on appropriate work place behavior only after his company fired several people for these types of behaviors. I was flabbergasted, why were 'nurses' like this and how could I not have his boss! Well I tore through the seminar manuals he came home with and in them I found that there are workplace behavior laws for every state that address these very situations. You can look them up, so I search for laws in my state and work place behavior. I found them, highlighted them and left them out in our break room and also gave them to my nurse manager. I was not willing to fight the petty fight and told the nurse manager that the highlighted situations are prevalent in her unit. It helped, I think a lot of people get caught up in it because they have lost sight of what is really important. So you could do that, maybe the knowledge that they are riding the line on laws of workplace harassment may straighten them up.

Unfortunately, everywhere I have worked as a nurse I have seen this situation with new nurses to some extent. I think more senior nurses need to put an end to these inappropriate behaviors. I am now a nurse practitioner student and hope that I can influence nurses to be more kind to novice nurses. Amazingly, in one of my advanced practice nursing courses we have spent a considerable amount of time looking at these archaic and destructive behaviors. Ann Hamric, a well published NP, asserts that these behaviors are 'violent' and lead groups away from leadership and collaboration, which in turn is detrimental to the patient and the employees. Hamric goes on to say that horizontal (and I am quoting) violence in nursing is an aggressive act that is carried out by one nursing colleague toward another. That this type of behavior is often seen among oppressed groups as a way for individuals to achieve a sense of power. This is bullying, and not a one time event, it is subtle, deliberate and ongoing with accumulative effects that have left you feeling hurt, vulnerable and powerless. If we stay there, they have won. Don't do it. You are obviously well thought out, articulate and willing to seek help.

So what are you going to do? Be a leader, how are you going to be a novice nurse and be a leader. Rise above it, ignore it, listen and work strictly according to the units guidelines and when pushed state the unit guidelines and that is what you are following. Be proud of your new nursing identity, you worked hard to get there.

Leadership in nursing, is something I wrote a small thesis paper on and these nurses you describe are so far from where nursing should be going. An effective leader is so many things: generously looks for opportunities to lift colleagues up, share knowledge, respectful, a model of positive attitude, has a sense of humor, and so much more. Okay, you thought that is what it would be like when you started work, what a let down. But you can be that person. Check out Harvard free info on the power of negotiation at PON Clearinghouse

Ann Hamric et. al. also talks about strategies to stop the cycle of horizontal violence: examine the organizational culture, name the problem when it is seen, educate staff to break the silence, allow the victims to tell their story, enact a process of dealing with the issue, provide training for conflict and anger management, empower victims to defend themselves, engage in self-reflection, and most important the management has to have a zero tolerance for horizontal violence.

Okay - check out Ann Hamric and others she has written with and Horizontal Violence in the workplace with nurses (use the google scholar search engine). These would also be good things to pass on to your HR department and your nurse manager. If you have to, your hospitals nursing supervisor may be very interested in knowing about these behaviors. Obviously, nurses who have advanced their degrees have come across these more works and know what is happening to you is wrong and you should not be afraid of asking for help, just take the right steps; your nurse manager and then go up the chain of command until there is resolution.

Okay, it seems like a huge fight. Stop talking about it and letting it ruin your life, because it is. Do it, be proactive. Change is only going to come from someone willing to lead. If you just can't, at least get yourself help and make the nurse manager aware. You don't have to take on all these folks just use the knowledge you are getting from all these responses to better yourself. Don't even let them have a minute of satisfaction by upsetting you, you are a nurse, a mother, a wife and servant leader. Servant leader is another idea you should research and look into - it is you.

I hope this old nurse has made you realize that you are worth it, you will become comfortable in your nursing shoes and that I am behind you encouraging you to educate yourself on all the things related to improving your nursing skills and knowledge and toward empowering yourself as a strong person. It is a shame these aggressors have not seen in you what I saw in the short writing you have shared.

Good luck and please post so I can see how you are - I will be checking back for sure.

LibraNurse1974 · Apr 29, 2010

I feel so bad for you.

I tell you what I did, and still do to this day.

I am a male, in my 30's. I get my attitude from my upbringing. My mother is a southern black, my father is a Jew. My paternal grandparents where holocaust survivors.

They all had the same advice, and it has always worked for me: STAND UP TO A BULLY.

Bullies are insecure, pathetic little people. Just stand up. Do not let them tread on you.

They make comments about you, say in a clear voice: "will you repeat that?" Remind them that you will call security, call the police department, and use legal counsel. If you say it, then you must do it. Go to your manager. Give them 30 days to correct the issue.

Make it clear that you do not appreciate the comments, and you are ordering them to stop. Tell them that it is NOT okay to speak to you this way.

Take a voice recorder, wear it. Inform them that you have it, then use it.

If they with hold unsafe info, just to see you fail, they are also liable, report this. Write incident reports.

Be vicous, but be professional. If you stand up, I promise, someone else feels like you and has been there, they will step up with you.

All else fails, you report to your state board of nursing.

maggiejrn · Apr 29, 2010

I have been in this field for 20+ years and I will tell you now, find a new job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those nurses are NOT going to stop because they know they can get a way with it. you can talk to all the administrative people you want but it won't change actually it will probably make things worse.

I do think you are also suffering from your past and add all this anxiety YOU need to take care of you or no one else will. Get up go to the phone make an appt with a GOOD counselor and keep it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is no shame in needing help the shame is in not getting it. There are other jobs in nursing. Maybe you would do better in a position with less contact with other staff such as home health. The ugly sad fact is working in a female dominated environment is not good. As a woman I hate to say it but women are ------- (rhymes with witches). Men can have an all out battle and the next day eat lunch together not women even the most innocent thing is taken out of context and the war is on. Life is too short to deal with all that crap. You need to realize your own self worth, stop caring so much about what other people say. Unless it is your supervisor you don't have to stand there and let someone berate you. Even if it is your supervisor she is no better than you and should NEVER reprimand you in front of other staff or patients. NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO SAY ANYTHING DEROGATORY TO YOU ESPECIALLY IN THE PRESENCE OF PATIENTS AND FAMILY. There is a right way and a wrong way to talk to someone. Offering advice in a kind and sincere way is one thing using you as a punching bag is another.

YOU NEED TO LEARN TO STAND UP FOR YOURSELF. As Dr. Phil would say "You teach people how to treat you"

I have been in your shoes and I feel your pain but only you can do what is right for you!! Better to find your niche in nursing than to let others chase you from a rewarding career.

Good Luck and God Bless

GadgetRN71, ASN, RN · Apr 29, 2010

Ok, here's my 2 cents worth, I've been around for a long time, I've seen a lot, and done a lot. And yes, I've been bullied and been told I've been the bully as well. One reply in particular was right, you only get bullied if you let them bully you. Now, if you are looking for someone to hold your hand and let you cry like a baby. Well, quite frankly, grow up! I was once told Sympathy falls somewhere between sex and syphlys. You mentioned many times in your original post that you try to be perfect. That's where a lot of your problems lay. No one, not a single solitary one of us, no matter how seasoned a nurse, is perfect, and you being a new nurse are far from it! If you are afraid of that day shift nurse that comes in and tells you that you did everything wrong, then take it to your supervisor. Or better yet, start with talking with THAT nurse, and find out why she thinks you did things wrong, you never know, you may learn something from her. What have YOUR new hire evaluations been, are you getting good evals? If so, then what's the problem? Does the Nurse you give report to sign your paycheck? Or is she your supervisor? If the answer is no, then what are you so worried about?
Yes, Nursing is a proffession for careing individuals, however, not for the faint at heart. So, dry your tears, stop whinning, and pull up your boot straps and listen up.
First thing, big whoptedoo about your 4.0 GPA in college, that doesn't mean you have the hucksba to make it as a Nurse, it only means you are book smart. Forget that, and start learning how to be a nurse now. In school, you get the book learning, and some field experience, and that is only the basics of your learning, the day you graduate and get your first position, and start work, is the day your learning actualy starts and it never stops from there.
Now about the bullies. So stand up for yourself girl! If a nurse tells you you did something wrong, and you know you did it right, tell her so! And find that policy and proceedure book, even if another nurse says it's wrong because management wrote it, hogwash! If you follow policy of the facility you work in, you are never wrong. So, find the book, and by JCOH, DOH, and any other alphabet soup auditing group that inspects facilities every six months or so, if you did it wrong, but followed policy, then it's not wrong. Got it?
Stop being a cry baby, older nurses, those of us whove been around 20+ years don't want to hear it, we've heard it all before, and there isn't time to hold your hand, 'cause we've got the hands of our pts to hold. Dig in there, pull your weight, and don't make a big deal of it. It may look like you are pulling more than your weight, but remember the older nurses have already put in their time, they've done the double shifts back to back, they've done the extra duties and the shift changes to help make scheduleing easier, now it's our turn to sit back and take it easy for a bit. We still got to enjoy our children even with all the doubles etc. we just had to get creative with our time off. We've done our time of working the major holidays and missing the family traditions, so we made new traditions. We've done our time of working three, four, or more years without a vacation, it's our turn now. I'm sorry if you feel you get from June to September off, and then a week at Thanksgiving, and two weeks at Christmas/New Years, and then Easter weekend, then Spring break, Welcome to the real world, you have to put in your time before you get your two weeks vacation. Same as the rest of us. So, again if you are tired all the time, you learn how to change things so you aren't. Again, stop trying to be all that perfect. Maybe your husband will have to start doing more around the house, like picking up after himself or helping with bathing the child, or whatever. You will have to learn that living on coffee, or Mt. Dew isn't going to give you any energy either, remember when your Mom told you to eat your vegies, and drink 8, 8oz glasses of water a day? Well, she was right, that's what will help give you energy, water, vegies and fiber.
This isn't meant to bully you, it's meant to get you to pull up your boot straps and realize we've all been there, it's part of the life we call Nursing, and in 20 or so years, you'll be telling a new nurse to "suck it up, and stop being a cry baby..." If that facility isn't suitable for you, maybe a change to something less demanding is more for you, like a slow paced Dr's office, or a small nursing home in the country. If you work on a unit with 100 other nurses, then you are just a drop in the rain barrel. And it's not, in my opinion, the best place for a new nurse to start out in. Maybe find a small, rural general hospital in your area, and get a good start there. The pace is slower, you will have other nurses who want to see you do the job right, and it may be the place for you.
My first Nursing supervisor was an old battle axe of an Army nurse. She rode me hard! It seemed nothing I did was right, nothing I did was good enough, nothing I did measured up to Ms. Thompson. Yet, she was the best nursing supervosor I ever had, because she took the time to tell me I wasn't perfect, and made me do the job right. I didn't get by with just asking someone how to do something, Ms. Thompson would plop the policy/proceedure manual down in front of me and make me look it up for myself, and do the task per the manual. By the end of my first year as a new nurse, I grew to love Ms. Thompson, and molded myself after her. I say this with all the upmost respect, because Ms. Thompson was aged when she was my first supervisor, and about five years ago she died. So, this reply to your post is in honor of Ms. Thompson. She never let any of her staff be a cry baby. We all stood tall and strong. There wasn't time to hold a new nurses hand, we had our pts hands to hold.

I think your heart was in the right place(somewhat) but just because something has been done for years doesn't mean it's right. There comes a point where this behavior crosses the line. It's wrong, plain and simple, and I can guarantee you that in 20 years the OP will not be telling people to suck it up. I can tell this because she seems like she isn't the type to lie down and accept the status quo. Also, I really don't give a damn if Nurse Nasty has been there 100+ years and got treated like crap when she started. Times change, and if these people can't adapt to the times, maybe they should retire.

Of course the bullies want people to just suck it up..but i have a news flash for these nitwits, more of us are not tolerating it anymore and we refuse to pass along this sick behavior. It has to stop somewhere.

Oh, and I say kudos to the OP for being smart and for her 4.0 GPA. Nursing is the only profession I know where poor academic skills and mediocrity are applauded. :rolleyes:

smartnurse1982 · Apr 29, 2010

if anyone has any kind words or practical, constructive advice to give - i'd be very grateful.
i am being eaten ALIVE at work right now.
yes, i have worked in various professions over many years and experienced a bit of cattiness here or there, but NOTHING, NOTHING even CLOSE to what i have experienced in just a few months of being a nurse!
i am an extremely smart person - i graduated nursing school with a 4.0. i killed myself to get that grade! however, i do not act like a know-it-all whatsoever. the nursing field i am in, is far removed from anything we really learned about in nursing school anyway -- so this is all really new for me and i know there is a LOT i need to learn, especially in terms of hands-on skills with equipment and such.
i am very, very humble --- i ask questions politely, i try to help out my coworkers whenever i can, i am eager to learn, i am friendly, i work EXTREMELY hard, i try to do everything perfectly. i give the best possible patient care i can give, i try to fit in, i am on committees, i have even volunteered for overtime a few times to help out the unit, or made schedule changes to help other people out. whenever anyone helps me, i thank them profusely.
basically, i bend over backwards each and every day to be a hardworking, pleasant coworker that anyone should be happy to work with. all i want in life, is to do a good job, get along pleasantly with everyone, and go home to my family in peace.
but some of the nurses i work with are just tearing me to shreds. some days, it seems like MOST of them are.
i am all for constructive criticism and tips, etc. --- i am willing and eager to take it, and will thank them for it ---
but what i can NOT stand any longer are the nasty individuals who think it is appropriate to ^)(* all over me day in and day out. some mornings (i work 12 hour nights, i am married with a young child, i am exhausted all the time) -- it is like i am bracing for impact when the nasty day nurse comes in and snaps at me 'you did this wrong, this wrong, this wrong, you should have done it this way and that way..."
the difficult thing is, there are maybe 100 nurses on my unit -- and all 100 of them have different opinions on what is the "proper" way to do things. as a new nurse, i am trying to learn from them -- but it is very difficult when i have busted my behind all night to try to do things perfectly the way my preceptor or some other nurses taught me --- only to have some OTHER nurse come on in the morning and nelly nitpick me to death over usually very insignificant things because SHEEEE does it a little differently.
it doesn't help that policies / protocols are often ambiguous or hard to find at a moment's notice and people all have their own ways of doing things --- i have even had other nurses tell me point blank that management protocols are 'wrong' and they 'never do it that way' and that i shouldn't, either!
even if i have done something wrong (never anything major), okay, fine, i accept that and i'm MORE than willing to learn --- but snapping my head off and treating me like garbage, embarassing me in front of patient family members or other staff, is just not appropriate.
i am not stupid! i am not a bad person! i am not a lazy person! i am the exact opposite of all those things! i am a human being! i am just a new nurse, and it would be nice if they could offer tips or correct me without talking down to me and treating me like scum.
there are many scenarios or procedures or even paperwork that, as a new person, i have simply never encountered before ... it would be nice if they didn't treat me like an idiot for not magically knowing everything.
i don't want to be off topic, but frankly it seems to be a big downfall for me in this case -- that i AM a very attractive person. i'm not super young, i'm in my 30s, but even though i usually try to be very plain and subdued (hair in a bun, with just some light lipstick and mascara, conservative and plain scrubs) -- i am a pretty girl, and people notice me. it is sad to say that, being in a field with women, a lot of them seem to be nasty and insecure enough to ONLY judge me based upon my looks, and they seem to treat me even WORSE because i am a younger, attractive woman.
they give the other new nurses a hard time, but i swear they are harder on me than anyone else. and heaven forbid i try to look extra nice --- it is like i am putting myself out there to be torn up and attacked without mercy. the other day i had the audacity to wear my hair down (many nurses do) and wear some different lipstick -- and EVERYONE had a comment about it, and one nurse seemed to make it her JOB for the night to make catty remarks, basically make fun of me as much as possible. then she and her friends would laugh really loudly and then whisper among each other and loudly make cryptic private jokes all night, within my hearing, so i'm pretty sure it was about me. they were also HORRIBLY tearing up another new staff member behind her back, i heard it all.
i wanted to crawl into a hole. that one nasty nurse even snidely told me to my face, that they make comments about my lipstick behind my back. i seriously don't understand it, because it's no different than any lipstick that any other people wear in the unit! FYI, the woman who was attacking me is older, sort of "manly" and doesn't wear a drop of makeup, and she is FAMOUS for being ridiculously blunt and rude.
they were also basically making fun of me because when i was younger, i worked in a salon. which is funny, because most of these women will pay tons of money to get their hair or nails done, they spend their time looking at fashion magazines ... but they will make fun of me and ostracize me because apparently they think i'm "lower" than them because i used to work in a salon?!?!?!?!? i try to joke back and play it off like it doesn't bother me, but it does.
even the younger nurses kind of leave me out ... most of them are a bit younger than me, and not married, or don't have children. they tend to be a bit more friendly and helpful (and there ARE some older nurses that are friendly and helpful as well) ---- but they often leave me out of conversations or just make it plain that i'm an "outsider" -- no matter how i try to join in. seriously, with young and old nurses alike --- there have been times when i've tried so hard to be friendly and join in the conversation, be polite and compliment them, say nice things to them ---- and they will flat out ignore me, not answer a question, act like they didn't even hear me, etc. like they can't give me the time of day!
i am just at the end of my rope sometimes.
i cry almost every day, i don't enjoy my days off at all because i am so stressed out,
i cry at work more than i care to admit,
i'm starting to hate nursing (i like the NURSING itself ... i just am starting to hate some of the coworkers, really)
and i'm starting to desperately plan ways i can get away from bedside nursing as soon as possible.
i know i should toughen up, try to let it slide off, ignore it, or whatever, but it's very hard.
being there is torture, i feel like i have to "hide" from some of the nasty nurses, just to avoid being torn up!
i had a very hard life growing up, i have been abused in every way possible and i suffer from extremely low self-esteem, depression, my panic attacks are now back again because of this ... i have PTSD from being abused in the past, etc. i am not very good about standing up for myself ... i will usually cry, but i'm afraid that if i try to stand up for myself i will flip out on someone, and that's also not acceptable. i don't think it would do any good really to tell management ... as we all know, management at ANY job basically doesn't care about cattiness or nasty behavior as long as people are doing their jobs ...
i just don't know what to do. i try to mind my own business and just be friendly, do my job ... but it just feels like everyone is out to get me.
the other day i had an admission, a patient with a usually lethal condition that i had never encountered before. no one expected this patient to even survive to get to our unit! well, we had just had 2 or 3 admissions right before this, and it was care time, so most of my coworkers were pretty much busy. i could have used some help, but i thought i was doing a good job, considering my lack of help and experience. well of course, after my one coworker basically lollygagged around and COULD have given me some suggestions (she was right there, we work on an open unit, she was right next to me) --- she waited until right before change of shift, reamed me out for not doing this or that (okay, i understand --- but do you have to snap at me?! and couldn't you have suggested that much earlier when you were sitting around watching me?!?!?!) and then watched as the day nurse came on and reamed me up one side and down the other.
it's bad enough i have this nonsense, but then i have problems with harassment at home by abusive family members ... and problems with my husband complaining about me being tired and stressed out ... my kid not being happy because i am tired and stressed out ... financial problems ... you name it.
i am just feeling stressed out, panicy, feeling like a failure all around.
i don't know how i will get through this.
i have always been a fighter and survived more things than people can even imagine.
seriously, when people find out the life i grew up with --- they are absolutely amazed i have come so far in life.
i am a good, kind, strong person inside.
i just wish my coworkers would see that and show me a little kindness and consideration.

Hope I'm not asking a dumb question,but what does being attractive as you describe have to do with it? It may seem like haughy or boastful,but I may be wrong.

smartnurse1982 · Apr 29, 2010

I have above average looks myself, and I've wondered if this may be one of the reasons (I'll just nicely call her a post menopausal, crispy-crunchy from the tanning bed, gossipy, nasty skank) hates me so much, because she recently succeeded in seeing to the termination of another nurse with above average looks and personality as well. She is vicious, to say the least, and I can't figure why she dislikes me so much. She is also a recent divorcee because her last husband was cheating on her, and maybe we remind her of "the other woman." Who knows, I'm younger and prettier than she is, but I'm not betting that's the only reason she hates me so. Nasty is nasty. I don't get envious and catty because another woman is prettier than I am, and I doubt that is the reason the OP is getting bullied.
Some people are just bullies. Some people are easy targets for being bullied. We have to make up our minds not to be a victim but learn how to turn the tables.

I'm younger and prettier. Those things I can't understand. Who told you that you were young and pettier? To be honest,I'm 28 and have been a nurse since I was 22 but I find most bulling incidents with me occured because of education levels,ethnicity, or pay issues.

I've seen plenty of older nurses who'd put me to shame because they outshine me in looks.

johnnybravo8802 · Apr 29, 2010

Yea, I went to work wearing KISS make-up like Gene Simmons one day and they said something about it....the nerve..... :lol2: :lol2:Just kidding!!!! Man....I sure miss working with those Catty female nurses....NOTTTTTT!!!!!!!!I had the same experience, as a male nurse, and took it personally but I've come to find out that the profession is like that everywhere. As a result, I don't work as a nurse anymore. I work for myself and don't have to deal with any of that anymore. :yeah: :yeah::yeah:I went through the part where I had to do it their way.....my comment to them....fu#@ off!!!!!!!WHen they are working, they can do it their way, when I'm on shift, it's my patient and my way...end of discussion......