(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
Florida is imposing speech restrictions??? Wyoming is Florida with snow but, it is true that people there will have more guns per capita. Nothing to hunt in Florida but pythons.
Where did I mention Florida speech restrictions? I am concerned about First Amendment protections such as the right to freely practice your religion and go to church as well as speech, but so far as I know Florida has not curtailed these. However, I believe that a state such as Wyoming that voted for Trump by over 40% (over Biden/Harris) is even less likely to do so. It is the sort of place that might provide a bit more of a buffer.
I believe I am on topic in the sense that I believe the best way to prevent being forced to take a covid vaccination may be to move to a state like Wyoming and to start your own business. That is what I plan to do. I mention the other issues because otherwise the move might seem a bit much "just" for Covid, but it is about a whole litany of issues. Covid vaccines are however one of the "headlines.".
Where did I mention Florida speech restrictions? I am concerned about First Amendment protections such as the right to freely practice your religion and go to church as well as speech, but so far as I know Florida has not curtailed these. However, I believe that a state such as Wyoming that voted for Trump by over 40% (over Biden/Harris) is even less likely to do so. It is the sort of place that might provide a bit more of a buffer.
Does Florida prevent people from going to church? What do people do who can't go to church year around because of disabilities? Plenty of church on TV year round. It doesn't sound so egregious to have to participate in TV church during a dangerous pandemic. I don't believe that Jesus would want people to be congregating in His name if people were actually killing off the vulnerable in the names of a political ideology. I mean, the Bible does say that He said "Render unto Caesar what it Caesar's" which means obey the civil (public health) law.
I believe I am on topic in the sense that I believe the best way to prevent being forced to take a covid vaccination may be to move to a state like Wyoming and to start your own business. That is what I plan to do. I mention the other issues because otherwise the move might seem a bit much "just" for Covid, but it is about a whole litany of issues. Covid vaccines are however one of the "headlines.".
The government will not be mandating covid vaccines, now or in the foreseeable future. I feel very confident saying that.
I also think employers by and large won't be mandating covid vaccines in the immediate future. I say this because the emergency use authorization muddies the waters on safety and consent, and if nothing else, I don't think hospitals will want to assume the liability the mandatory vaccinations may entail without full FDA approval. I could be wrong, but that's my guess. Also, there just plain aren't enough doses to go around yet.
I think it's likely enough that hospitals will eventually make covid vaccination mandatory, just like many hospitals do with flu vaccinations. But that will likely be after a number of months and likely after full FDA authorization, in which case we'll have much more data about the long-term effects of these vaccinations.
So my question to you is this: if, months or years from now, we have plenty of high-quality data indicating that these vaccines are safe - much safer than running the risk of contracting covid - and effective, would you still object to taking the vaccine? Why? Even if you're opposed to employer mandates in theory or maybe extreme social pressure to take the vaccine to participate in the public sphere, why bother moving to WY if the vaccine is very much worth taking on its own merits?
The government will not be mandating covid vaccines, now or in the foreseeable future. I feel very confident saying that.
I also think employers by and large won't be mandating covid vaccines in the immediate future. I say this because the emergency use authorization muddies the waters on safety and consent, and if nothing else, I don't think hospitals will want to assume the liability the mandatory vaccinations may entail without full FDA approval. I could be wrong, but that's my guess. Also, there just plain aren't enough doses to go around yet.
I think it's likely enough that hospitals will eventually make covid vaccination mandatory, just like many hospitals do with flu vaccinations. But that will likely be after a number of months and likely after full FDA authorization, in which case we'll have much more data about the long-term effects of these vaccinations.
So my question to you is this: if, months or years from now, we have plenty of high-quality data indicating that these vaccines are safe - much safer than running the risk of contracting covid - and effective, would you still object to taking the vaccine? Why? Even if you're opposed to employer mandates in theory or maybe extreme social pressure to take the vaccine to participate in the public sphere, why bother moving to WY if the vaccine is very much worth taking on its own merits?
Because Florida won't let them go to church? That was also an issue with the poster.
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1 hour ago, myoglobin said:
We have radically different belief systems. I believe that vaccination should be completely voluntary. I believe that strong immigration laws that are enforced are vital to a sovereign people, I believe that Second amendment protections including so called "assault weapons" are the last bastion against oppressive governments or riots in protecting your family (or hunting for food if you end up living in a grid down scenario). I believe abortion is killing of the unborn and that the way it is implemented disproportionately in minority communities amounts to attempt to suppress minority births. That's okay, people can see the world very differently. It's just that I seek to live somewhere, where I can live as close to my perspectives/views as free from interference as possible. If I had your perspectives (and right of center politicians took control of the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court) I would do the same only my options would be different. I might seek to move to California, Seattle, Portland, Mass or perhaps even Canada (if that was possible). As it is one of the better options seems to be Wyoming. I am open to other suggestions if you have them.
The vast majority of that comment is irrelevant to this discussion. Feel free to join the political forum to join in the ongoing political discussion. We get pretty spirited in there.
The disagreement about vaccination mandates are old. The reality is that the federal government doesn't really have any vaccination mandates, right? Are there immunization requirements for foreign visitors to travel into the USA? I don't think so.
What we have are vaccination recommendations from our national experts that are shared nationally. We have states that have their own public health experts, budgets, and objectives. Some states may have compulsory vaccinations for public school admission or for some public service employment. Clearly, it's not a crime to refuse vaccination.
Government vaccine mandates are generally not necessary when enough of the population chooses to vaccinate and herd immunity is achieved voluntarily. Most people, when provided good information and data and opportunity to get any questions answered and concerns addressed, choose to accept vaccination for themselves and their children.
Health care businesses have slightly different but related priorities. Vaccination of employees is a business calculation as much as a health and safety concern I might imagine. I know that when the Hep B vaccine was developed and recommended, the urban hospital that employed me asked ALL direct care staff to vaccinate within a certain time frame. Their occ health department coordinated and administered the doses. HR and administration worked through objections and waivers and exemptions. I don't recall if there was a penalty for not vaccinating...seems in recollection like there must have been. I was happy to take the vaccine. I wish they could have offered us a Hep C vaccine.
Do you think that meat packing plants will require their employees to get a covid vaccination?
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17 hours ago, Rose_Queen said:
Just a quick note that we do offer a club for political discussions in the breakroom area. This topic is regarding the COVID vaccine- for other topics that are being brought up, the breakroom would be the best place to have those discussions.
The vast majority of that comment is irrelevant to this discussion. Feel free to join the political forum to join in the ongoing political discussion. We get pretty spirited in there.
The disagreement about vaccination mandates are old. The reality is that the federal government doesn't really have any vaccination mandates, right? Are there immunization requirements for foreign visitors to travel into the USA? I don't think so.
What we have are vaccination recommendations from our national experts that are shared nationally. We have states that have their own public health experts, budgets, and objectives. Some states may have compulsory vaccinations for public school admission or for some public service employment. Clearly, it's not a crime to refuse vaccination.
Government vaccine mandates are generally not necessary when enough of the population chooses to vaccinate and herd immunity is achieved voluntarily. Most people, when provided good information and data and opportunity to get any questions answered and concerns addressed, choose to accept vaccination for themselves and their children.
Health care businesses have slightly different but related priorities. Vaccination of employees is a business calculation as much as a health and safety concern I might imagine. I know that when the Hep B vaccine was developed and recommended, the urban hospital that employed me asked ALL direct care staff to vaccinate within a certain time frame. Their occ health department coordinated and administered the doses. HR and administration worked through objections and waivers and exemptions. I don't recall if there was a penalty for not vaccinating...seems in recollection like there must have been. I was happy to take the vaccine. I wish they could have offered us a Hep C vaccine.
Do you think that meat packing plants will require their employees to get a covid vaccination?
I try to only buy from local farms where vaccinations are not required. Again, I believe vaccines may become "effectively mandatory" especially for health care workers (especially for ones like myself who work for Seattle based companies). I believe that by moving to Wyoming and starting my own company I can minimize this risk as well as minimize compulsion to abide by other things that may be coming own the pike. I am offering one road that some may be able to employ to avoid mandatory covid vaccination. Move to Wyoming, and start your own business. It may not be the best plan, but it is at least a plan.
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6 minutes ago, Mywords1 said:
Will they also work to. create a cure? I don't understand that. What am I missing?
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The odd makeup of these infectious agents is part of what makes them difficult to defeat. Compared to other pathogens, such as bacteria, viruses are minuscule. And because they have none of the hallmarks of living things — a metabolism or the ability to reproduce on their own, for example — they are harder to target with drugs.
The treatment for most viruses is simply supportive while the body fights it off itself. We've lived with many many viruses for many many years- just look at the common cold and how all we can do is treat the symptoms.
The treatment for most viruses is simply supportive while the body fights it off itself. We've lived with many many viruses for many many years- just look at the common cold and how all we can do is treat the symptoms.
I still don't understand why when I worked for an HCA hospital that these policies existed:
a. Mandatory vaccines for RN's but not MD's. and family members. What is the point in only having one segment of the staff vaccinated?
b. Why were we allowed (even encouraged considering we only got five misses per year even with excuses before we received write ups) to come to work sick with the flu (in spite of having received vaccinations, given that they are only about 50% effective for the flu), but not allowed to work without being vaccinated.
I do believe/hope that the "waiver" approval of this vaccine makes these mandatory vaccinations for covid at least delayed by several years.
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4 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
I still don't understand why when I worked for an HCA hospital that these policies existed:
a. Mandatory vaccines for RN's but not MD's. and family members. What is the point in only having one segment of the staff vaccinated?
b. Why were we allowed (even encouraged considering we only got five misses per year even with excuses before we received write ups) to come to work sick with the flu (in spite of having received vaccinations, given that they are only about 50% effective for the flu), but not allowed to work without being vaccinated.
I do believe/hope that the "waiver" approval of this vaccine makes these mandatory vaccinations for covid at least delayed by several years.
HCA is well known to be an evil empire that only looks out for the bottom line and not their staff....there's your answers.
myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN
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Where did I mention Florida speech restrictions? I am concerned about First Amendment protections such as the right to freely practice your religion and go to church as well as speech, but so far as I know Florida has not curtailed these. However, I believe that a state such as Wyoming that voted for Trump by over 40% (over Biden/Harris) is even less likely to do so. It is the sort of place that might provide a bit more of a buffer.