(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
You didn't answer my questions about those employer mandates and whether they are decided based upon the politics of the region or state...does the scientific rationale for employers mandating the vaccines change dependent upon the local politics? You didn't say whether or not you think it's less likely to be mandated by an employer in Wyoming than in a state you consider to be liberal.
I believe that the public policy will emanate both "from the right and the left". Big business companies like HCA, only see one political perspective that is green. I believe that eventual "natiional" covid vaccine policies such as the one alluded in the article published last Fall (where businesses will not let you in their premises without proof of vaccination) or other "left of center" policies such as so called "assault weapon bans" are less likely to be enforced in a state like Wyoming with the highest per capita gun ownership rate in the country. Rather, I believe that many Sheriff's, (especially in the most remote parts of the state where I aspire to live) might simply choose not to enforce these rules. Consider Florida and masks. Even though there is no rule saying that businesses require masks (which I do wear and encourage others to do the same, but I believe it should be a choice). However, in the relatively more left of center Orlando area essentially 97% of businesses require masks. When I go to visit my son over by UCF (East Orlando and even more left of center) probably 70% of businesses don't even accept cash and are limiting occupancy even though that is not a requirement. However, when we traveled to Cocoa Beach (the East coast of Florida) last month I was shocked to see that about 80% of the people were not wearing masks and I remember one gas station where my wife and I were the only two out of about 30 in the place wearing masks. Thus, I believe that in a state like Wyoming (that voted for Trump by almost 50% more that Biden) one might find even more pronounced examples of these variances and that they would extend through things like mandatory Covid vaccinations, gun control, limits on homeschool and other issues where I am now in the national political minority. Many, of my gay, and queer clients who are older often tell me how in the 80's they went to places like San Francisco because not only did they find more fellowship, but they were better able to get access to HIV medications that were not being approved by the FDA (in sufficient time to save many lives). Perhaps, Wyoming and places like it can be "our" (those of us right of center) modern day S.F.
Again, states are not responsible or required to utilize their resources to enforce federal immigration laws. Knowing that, why would it be a problem for any state to refrain from enforcing federal immigration laws? Similarly, any federal mandate on vaccines would be enforced using federal resources, states could cooperate if they chose and had the capacity, right? I am certain that a good number of "conservative states" would challenge a Biden vaccine mandate as unconstitutional. Heck, a number of them just signed on suggesting to the SCOTUS that they didn't like election results in some counties of some states so democracy should just be suspended while Trump is appointed as president.
Americans are dying in record numbers from an out of control pandemic, half of the country is more afraid of the vaccine than the disease and you want to fret about your firearms.
My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.
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41 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.
It's interesting that you seem to believe that hospitals in politically conservative states would be less likely to mandate covid vaccines in the future. It's also interesting that guns and immigration keep getting mentioned by you in a conversation about a covid vaccine. If you also manage to mention abortion in this covid thread the trifecta of conservative concern will have been attained...
If necessary...so what would make such a move necessary for you, relative to the covid vaccine? If your 1099 employer in Florida requires it (unlikely) would it then be necessary for you to move to a more conservative state than Florida? How do you measure the conservatism of a state?
It's interesting that you seem to believe that hospitals in politically conservative states would be less likely to mandate covid vaccines in the future. It's also interesting that guns and immigration keep getting mentioned by you in a conversation about a covid vaccine. If you also manage to mention abortion in this covid thread the trifecta of conservative concern will have been attained...
If necessary...so what would make such a move necessary for you, relative to the covid vaccine? If your 1099 employer in Florida requires it (unlikely) would it then be necessary for you to move to a more conservative state than Florida? How do you measure the conservatism of a state?
The reasons for the moves would be complex and multifactorial and yes abortion is also a concern. Also, my employer is in Washington State and thus quite likely to require this vaccination once in person visits become necessary. Also, Wyoming would involve starting my own business. I am not certain that hospitals in Wyoming will be less likely to require covid vaccination. However, I believe that other issues (requiring covid to use other businesses such as shops, restaurants and other venues) is likely to be less. The other conservative issues are also important to me (guns, abortion, homeschooling, freedom of expression, concern over a Chinese like social credit system similar to Sesame credit). One way to measure how conservative a state is by how much they voted for Trump. No state voted for Trump at a higher rate than Wyoming (over 40% spread). Thus, it stands to reasons that my views might be reflected there more than a state like Florida where he won by less that 5%. Even if national laws are passed that I find unconstitutional it stands to reasons that states like Wyoming might "minimize" their enforcement. Again, if I was "left of center" and Trump had prevailed (and was talking about doing away with all shutdowns, all mask requirements ect, other right wing policies like further restrictions on abortion) I might be looking at moving to someplace like Portland or Mass or California. To me this is an entirely logical reaction for someone with my political perspective.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
47 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
The reasons for the moves would be complex and multifactorial and yes abortion is also a concern. Also, my employer is in Washington State and thus quite likely to require this vaccination once in person visits become necessary. Also, Wyoming would involve starting my own business. I am not certain that hospitals in Wyoming will be less likely to require covid vaccination. However, I believe that other issues (requiring covid to use other businesses such as shops, restaurants and other venues) is likely to be less. The other conservative issues are also important to me (guns, abortion, homeschooling, freedom of expression, concern over a Chinese like social credit system similar to Sesame credit). One way to measure how conservative a state is by how much they voted for Trump. No state voted for Trump at a higher rate than Wyoming (over 40% spread). Thus, it stands to reasons that my views might be reflected there more than a state like Florida where he won by less that 5%. Even if national laws are passed that I find unconstitutional it stands to reasons that states like Wyoming might "minimize" their enforcement. Again, if I was "left of center" and Trump had prevailed (and was talking about doing away with all shutdowns, all mask requirements ect, other right wing policies like further restrictions on abortion) I might be looking at moving to someplace like Portland or Mass or California. To me this is an entirely logical reaction for someone with my political perspective.
So it's problematic for you if states don't use their resources to enforce federal immigration laws but desirable to you if states neglect federal public health recommendations or mandates or make legal abortion difficult to obtain?
I'm glad that I live in the USA and don't have to worry about arbitrary religious or ideological belief being forced upon me or feeling that I must move to avoid political oppression.
What’s happened here? Why are we talking about assault rifles in a thread about a Covid vaccine?
But since we’re now discussing everything and anything, I find it hard to see the logic of being against the government forcing a person to take a vaccine but at the same time think it would be okay for the government to force a person to deal with the health risks of a pregnancy and delivery and then subsequently force the person to accept financial and emotional responsibility for another person for at least another eighteen years. Here’s me thinking that the jab is the less invasive and long term life-changing of the two. Personally I’m against government forcing people in both the mentioned scenarios...
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2 hours ago, macawake said:
What’s happened here? Why are we talking about assault rifles in a thread about a Covid vaccine?
But since we’re now discussing everything and anything, I find it hard to see the logic of being against the government forcing a person to take a vaccine but at the same time think it would be okay for the government to force a person to deal with the health risks of a pregnancy and delivery and then subsequently force the person to accept financial and emotional responsibility for another person for at least another eighteen years. Here’s me thinking that the jab is the less invasive and long term life-changing of the two. Personally I’m against government forcing people in both the mentioned scenarios...
Just a quick note that we do offer a club for political discussions in the breakroom area. This topic is regarding the COVID vaccine- for other topics that are being brought up, the breakroom would be the best place to have those discussions.
Let's stick to the topic, "I Really Do Not Want the COVID Vaccine :(" ...
Please start a new thread if you want to discuss not only politics, but issues that are not related to receiving (or not) the COVID-19 vaccine.
My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.
You posted this same response, verbatim, twice. It was also at the beginning of the last page.
Since some of your posts respond specifically to questions asked in this thread, I'm going to assume you're not actually a bot. However, I don't think political derailments of this particular topic are productive in a professional forum, and even less so when your responses are canned and copy pasted.
You posted this same response, verbatim, twice. It was also at the beginning of the last page.
Since some of your posts respond specifically to questions asked in this thread, I'm going to assume you're not actually a bot. However, I don't think political derailments of this particular topic are productive in a professional forum, and even less so when your responses are canned and copy pasted.
I did not mean to repost. However, in attempting to correct an error in the above post it for some reason "defaulted" to this post. This is something I've noticed on the site in the last week or two.
There is no religious exemption for RN's at the hospital where I used to work and even previous reactions to vaccines are very narrowly defined (you must show you have had a negative reaction to every flu vaccine option). It is true that some states allow religious exemptions for kids. However, mandatory vaccination (or fear that it will occur) is a very real concern. We are for example considering relocating to rural Wyoming (from Florida) and starting our own business telepsych business where we feel there is a greater chance that we will not lose our first or second Amendment rights (some states may simply choose to not enforce federal mandates).
Florida is imposing speech restrictions??? Wyoming is Florida with snow but, it is true that people there will have more guns per capita. Nothing to hunt in Florida but pythons.
So it's problematic for you if states don't use their resources to enforce federal immigration laws but desirable to you if states neglect federal public health recommendations or mandates or make legal abortion difficult to obtain?
I'm glad that I live in the USA and don't have to worry about arbitrary religious or ideological belief being forced upon me or feeling that I must move to avoid political oppression.
We have radically different belief systems. I believe that vaccination should be completely voluntary. I believe that strong immigration laws that are enforced are vital to a sovereign people, I believe that Second amendment protections including so called "assault weapons" are the last bastion against oppressive governments or riots in protecting your family (or hunting for food if you end up living in a grid down scenario). I believe abortion is killing of the unborn and that the way it is implemented disproportionately in minority communities amounts to attempt to suppress minority births. That's okay, people can see the world very differently. It's just that I seek to live somewhere, where I can live as close to my perspectives/views as free from interference as possible. If I had your perspectives (and right of center politicians took control of the Presidency, both houses of Congress, and the Supreme Court) I would do the same only my options would be different. I might seek to move to California, Seattle, Portland, Mass or perhaps even Canada (if that was possible). As it is one of the better options seems to be Wyoming. I am open to other suggestions if you have them.
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I believe that the public policy will emanate both "from the right and the left". Big business companies like HCA, only see one political perspective that is green. I believe that eventual "natiional" covid vaccine policies such as the one alluded in the article published last Fall (where businesses will not let you in their premises without proof of vaccination) or other "left of center" policies such as so called "assault weapon bans" are less likely to be enforced in a state like Wyoming with the highest per capita gun ownership rate in the country. Rather, I believe that many Sheriff's, (especially in the most remote parts of the state where I aspire to live) might simply choose not to enforce these rules. Consider Florida and masks. Even though there is no rule saying that businesses require masks (which I do wear and encourage others to do the same, but I believe it should be a choice). However, in the relatively more left of center Orlando area essentially 97% of businesses require masks. When I go to visit my son over by UCF (East Orlando and even more left of center) probably 70% of businesses don't even accept cash and are limiting occupancy even though that is not a requirement. However, when we traveled to Cocoa Beach (the East coast of Florida) last month I was shocked to see that about 80% of the people were not wearing masks and I remember one gas station where my wife and I were the only two out of about 30 in the place wearing masks. Thus, I believe that in a state like Wyoming (that voted for Trump by almost 50% more that Biden) one might find even more pronounced examples of these variances and that they would extend through things like mandatory Covid vaccinations, gun control, limits on homeschool and other issues where I am now in the national political minority. Many, of my gay, and queer clients who are older often tell me how in the 80's they went to places like San Francisco because not only did they find more fellowship, but they were better able to get access to HIV medications that were not being approved by the FDA (in sufficient time to save many lives). Perhaps, Wyoming and places like it can be "our" (those of us right of center) modern day S.F.