I Really Do Not Want the COVID Vaccine ?

[AspiringNurse94]

(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)

Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.

I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine. 

What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.

And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.

I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice

Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

17 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Again, states are not responsible or required to utilize their resources to enforce federal immigration laws. Knowing that, why would it be a problem for any state to refrain from enforcing federal immigration laws? Similarly, any federal mandate on vaccines would be enforced using federal resources, states could cooperate if they chose and had the capacity, right? I am certain that a good number of "conservative states" would challenge a Biden vaccine mandate as unconstitutional.  Heck, a number of them just signed on suggesting to the SCOTUS  that they didn't like election results in some counties of some states so democracy should just be suspended while Trump is appointed as president. 

Americans are dying in record numbers from an out of control pandemic, half of the country is more afraid of the vaccine than the disease and you want to fret about your firearms. 

My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for  a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.  

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Again, states are not responsible or required to utilize their resources to enforce federal immigration laws. Knowing that, why would it be a problem for any state to refrain from enforcing federal immigration laws? Similarly, any federal mandate on vaccines would be enforced using federal resources, states could cooperate if they chose and had the capacity, right? I am certain that a good number of "conservative states" would challenge a Biden vaccine mandate as unconstitutional.  Heck, a number of them just signed on suggesting to the SCOTUS  that they didn't like election results in some counties of some states so democracy should just be suspended while Trump is appointed as president. 

Americans are dying in record numbers from an out of control pandemic, half of the country is more afraid of the vaccine than the disease and you want to fret about your firearms. 

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[toomuchbaloney]

29 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for  a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.  

Wow

This post makes me wonder what informs your fears...about covid, about the upcoming administration, and about "other issues". So many fears based upon guesses and maybes and what ifs seems unusual. 

[toomuchbaloney]

Safety and Efficacy of the BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccine

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The favorable safety profile observed during phase 1 testing of BNT162b24,8 was confirmed in the phase 2/3 portion of the trial. As in phase 1, reactogenicity was generally mild or moderate, and reactions were less common and milder in older adults than in younger adults. Systemic reactogenicity was more common and severe after the second dose than after the first dose, although local reactogenicity was similar after the two doses. Severe fatigue was observed in approximately 4% of BNT162b2 recipients, which is higher than that observed in recipients of some vaccines recommended for older adults.12 This rate of severe fatigue is also lower than that observed in recipients of another approved viral vaccine for older adults.13 Overall, reactogenicity events were transient and resolved within a couple of days after onset. Lymphadenopathy, which generally resolved within 10 days, is likely to have resulted from a robust vaccine-elicited immune response. The incidence of serious adverse events was similar in the vaccine and placebo groups (0.6% and 0.5%, respectively).

This trial and its preliminary report have several limitations. With approximately 19,000 participants per group in the subset of participants with a median follow-up time of 2 months after the second dose, the study has more than 83% probability of detecting at least one adverse event, if the true incidence is 0.01%, but it is not large enough to detect less common adverse events reliably. This report includes 2 months of follow-up after the second dose of vaccine for half the trial participants and up to 14 weeks’ maximum follow-up for a smaller subset. Therefore, both the occurrence of adverse events more than 2 to 3.5 months after the second dose and more comprehensive information on the duration of protection remain to be determined. Although the study was designed to follow participants for safety and efficacy for 2 years after the second dose, given the high vaccine efficacy, ethical and practical barriers prevent following placebo recipients for 2 years without offering active immunization, once the vaccine is approved by regulators and recommended by public health authorities. Assessment of long-term safety and efficacy for this vaccine will occur, but it cannot be in the context of maintaining a placebo group for the planned follow-up period of 2 years after the second dose. These data do not address whether vaccination prevents asymptomatic infection; a serologic end point that can detect a history of infection regardless of whether symptoms were present (SARS-CoV-2 N-binding antibody) will be reported later. Furthermore, given the high vaccine efficacy and the low number of vaccine breakthrough cases, potential establishment of a correlate of protection has not been feasible at the time of this report.

So far so good. 

[NurseSpeedy, ADN, LPN, RN]

39 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wow

This post makes me wonder what informs your fears...about covid, about the upcoming administration, and about "other issues". So many fears based upon guesses and maybes and what ifs seems unusual. 

While quitting a job and moving to a remote area seems a bit of a stretch the first part I have to agree with-big liberal government has never been a welcome thing in my option. I don’t believe someone should be forced to purchase health insurance or get taxed through the rear (although I do pay for it), I don’t think someone should be forced to get a vaccine (although I do want one), and I do think that everyone should wear some form of mask-and be educated on how the CORRECT way to wear it is, especially if they don’t get a vaccine, because I see people possibly self contaminating themselves constantly.
 

Years ago I wouldn’t really care if we had a Democrat or republican president-its just now everything is so severe to one way or another-and the house and senate were supposed to balance power so nothing too crazy could happen. That stopped a long time ago. And it’s a bit ironic-I received my absentee ballots prior to 2008-then they stopped arriving and I had to go in person-after my ballot not arriving 3 times I changed my status to in person because I wasn’t getting one sent to me otherwise-but I got an extra line to wait in for it...three times-three missing ballots-just wondering where they went...or if maybe there was some hope I’d be too lazy or afraid to show up. 

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wow

This post makes me wonder what informs your fears...about covid, about the upcoming administration, and about "other issues". So many fears based upon guesses and maybes and what ifs seems unusual. 

Prominent members of the Democratic party have made it clear that if they take the Senate they will do these things and more (end the filibuster, "reform/pack" the Supreme Court, adopt direct elections, add Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia).  I don't blame them. Many perhaps most of my friends at work are proud socialists they believe that this is a path to a better, brighter future. They do not share my concerns that it will lead to a Chinese like totalitarian nightmare (indeed many would even disagree that China is a nightmare, many of them would laud it's achievements in advancing the lifestyle and health of its citizens).  However, I disagree and believe it is an imminent threat to our Republic.  To put it in perspective I suppose how I feel might approximate how you might feel had Trump prevailed with both houses of Congress with an aggressive conservative agenda. Perhaps you might consider moving to one of the more left of center states such as Mass, or California in the hopes they might at least "blunt" some of his more aggressive (and in your view unconstitutional) actions.

[Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN]

Just a quick note that we do offer a club for political discussions in the breakroom area. This topic is regarding the COVID vaccine- for other topics that are being brought up, the breakroom would be the best place to have those discussions. 

[MunoRN, RN]

7 hours ago, myoglobin said:

The Second Amendment concerns are relative to the new administration and the promises to take AR10's and AR15's (which I legally own) not to vaccination. However, my hope was that a state which supported Trump by almost 50% might be less inclined to enforce new federal mandates that confiscated guns or which penalized people for refusing vaccinations.  Succession does not seem like a viable option, so the next best thing is to find states that might be inclined to nullify (as much as possible) federal laws they consider unconstitutional .

I would agree with you that this is a good example of how individual rights relate to the Constitutional rights of a society.

I'm not really sure how you've morphed the idea of a hospital mandating vaccines for those caring for high-risk patients to a federal mandate of all citizens, but it's still a useful example.

First, there is no Constitutional right to high rate of fire / high capacity firearms.  This is according to not just the Supreme Court, but the most pro-gun Supreme Court Justice we've seen in modern times and possibly ever.  This is because these types of firearms violate the rights put forth in the 2nd amendment.

The 2nd amendment, at least in the most gun-owner friendly interpretation, protects the right of citizens to keep and bear arms for the purpose of self-protection, ie a 'lawful purpose'.  The main purpose of high rate-of-fire and high-capacity firearms, sometimes called 'assault rifles' is to negate the ability of someone carrying a firearm for the lawful purpose of self-protection to protect themselves.  

Your argument that your non-existent 'right' to an AR-15 supersedes the rights of others to use their firearms to defend themselves and their families is effectively the same as arguing that your 'right' to expose high-risk hospitalized patients to Covid-19.  What you're arguing for is a disturbing level of self-centered, sociopathic indifference to the basic rights of others afforded to them by the Constitution.  

[toomuchbaloney]

41 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

Prominent members of the Democratic party have made it clear that if they take the Senate they will do these things and more (end the filibuster, "reform/pack" the Supreme Court, adopt direct elections, add Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia).  I don't blame them. Many perhaps most of my friends at work are proud socialists they believe that this is a path to a better, brighter future. They do not share my concerns that it will lead to a Chinese like totalitarian nightmare (indeed many would even disagree that China is a nightmare, many of them would laud it's achievements in advancing the lifestyle and health of its citizens).  However, I disagree and believe it is an imminent threat to our Republic.  To put it in perspective I suppose how I feel might approximate how you might feel had Trump prevailed with both houses of Congress with an aggressive conservative agenda. Perhaps you might consider moving to one of the more left of center states such as Mass, or California in the hopes they might at least "blunt" some of his more aggressive (and in your view unconstitutional) actions.

Nah. 

I live smack dab in the middle of the big old conservative leaning, republican voting Alaska...I like it fine that way...I don't typically view conservativesas my enemies...but the growing reality that conservatives view liberals as enemies is definitely noteworthy. Why do conservatives feel this temptation to live separately from those who might think differently about problems and solutions, and suggest it as remedy for disagreement so often? 

What ARE direct threats to our democratic republic are refusal to accept election results and trying to overthrow election results...not imagined actions that someone might take in the future. 

Out of control covid spread is a direct threat to our economy and national security.  Persistent resistance to public health mitigation techniques, starting with the president guaranteed a grim, grief ridden holiday season.  Amplified misinformation and fear mongering about the vaccines will make it more difficult to achieve high enough immunization rates to stop the spread.  

 

[myoglobin, ASN, BSN, MSN]

Covid vaccine requurements one solution may be to move to a state that declines to enforce any forthcoming laws requiring vaccines or other issues. Just as many states do not enforce current laws outlawing THC.

[MunoRN, RN]

11 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

Covid vaccine requurements one solution may be to move to a state that declines to enforce any forthcoming laws requiring vaccines or other issues. Just as many states do not enforce current laws outlawing THC.

What 'forthcoming laws' are you referring to?

The topic of the thread is hospitals mandating vaccines for those caring for hospitalized patients.  Why shouldn't we respect the Constitutional right of patients to their 'general welfare' by requiring that those caring for them take at least basic steps to avoid giving them a virus for which an infection poses they a high risk of morbidity and mortality?  Why do you feel they should have no rights relative to yours?

[toomuchbaloney]

16 minutes ago, myoglobin said:

Covid vaccine requurements one solution may be to move to a state that declines to enforce any forthcoming laws requiring vaccines or other issues. Just as many states do not enforce current laws outlawing THC.

LOL

Clearly you really, REALLY don't want to receive the covid vaccine.  

Legalizing cannabis is unrelated to covid vaccination.