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  2. toomuchbaloney

    Riots in Minneapolis

    Because, clearly, the actual abuse and death of black people only gets a a bunch of white people spinning back that ALL LIVES MATTER, when black fools just talk about it. Besides...when peaceful protest is met immediately by riot geared police who demand that they stop their protest and then escalate the emotions with their retaliatory violence and weapons, that's what we should expect. Especially when we can so closely compare it to emotionally charged and ARMED protesters, in other states, coddled and tolerated by police without riot gear. I don't condone violent protest but I certainly understand the emotional frustration. It's not going to go away until we admit that we have a problem and then seek to do something to correct the problem.
  3. They didn't silence or censor anything. The link they added to the tweet has nothing to do with politics. It has to do with the integrity of elections. They took the same approach to misinformation on COVID19.
  4. I'm not confused at all. I never said the government should take action. I said these media companies are putting themselves in the crosshairs of government regulation by censoring certain political views. Though the government puts restrictions on private businesses all the time. Explain to me why you're OK with Twitter censoring conversations but not AT&T or Verizon. Would you be OK with your phone company disconnecting your call if you said something that opposes the CEO's of Verizon's political views?
  5. TomPaine

    Are churches safe?

    We know this virus predominantly kills old people. Maybe just maybe the church could reopen but ask their elderly parishioners to stay home for the time being. The same could be said for most businesses. In MN the average age of those dying from covid is 86 years old. Doesn't matter if they went to church or the marijuana store, it's predominantly only killing old people. The rest of the population doesn't need to be on lock down from churches, or anywhere else, unless you are old or have underlying conditions.
  6. TomPaine

    Riots in Minneapolis

    Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen. I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered. That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides. If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.
  7. TomPaine

    Are churches safe?

    What were the ages of the people who died? Covid-19 remains a virus that predominantly kills the elderly and those with existing conditions. Those people are just as at risk going to the liquor store or WalMart as they are going to church. It seems odd that in Illinois pot dispensaries (which didn't even exist there 6 months ago) are essential but churches are not. What sense does that make?
  8. Take out "social media" and insert "phone company." Imagine if AT&T disconnected calls or internet service if their user said something a supposedly unbiased "fact-checker" disagreed with. What is the US Postal service labeled conservative mail as disinformation or destroyed it instead of sending it on to the intended recipient? We are in modern times, and although I agree that these are private companies and for the most part can do with their business what they want, there is a fine line when the main mode of dialogue is biased towards one political view. I'm not saying I agree with what Trump said, but when these platforms start censoring one political point of view they are putting themselves in the crosshairs. facebook's approach is better in my opinion. Let the marketplace of ideas decide what is valuable and what is garbage.
  9. This guy is almost too stupid to live. “Lewis also claims that he worked to determine “exactly who I may have been in contact with, and who I may have possibly exposed to the virus.”” https://www.vox.com/2020/5/28/21273093/pennsylvania-republicans-coronavirus-andrew-lewis-brian-sims-house-of-representatives And then he sat on the info for a week. He was tested on 5/18, covid + on 5/20, silent until he send out statement on 5/27. His reason? "[O]ut of respect for my family, and those who I may have exposed." He said he notified his leadership but either he didn’t or they apparently didn’t see the need to notify his democrat colleagues. Another legislator who doesn’t understand how contact tracing works. I believe this is why a second wave is inevitable. Actually why we’ll have trouble moving out of the 1st wave. https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/28/politics/pennsylvania-state-house-andrew-lewis/index.html
  10. Lawmakers learned Wednesday that state Rep. Andrew Lewis (R., Dauphin) had tested positive a full week earlier, on May 20. Lewis said he immediately began self-isolating after receiving the test result, and that he informed House officials, who worked to identify anyone he may have exposed. But while some Republican lawmakers have confirmed being notified of their potential exposure and self-isolating as a result, Democrats say they only learned of it from a reporter — despite their own daily proximity to Lewis. Rep. Kevin Boyle (D., Philadelphia) sent a letter late Wednesday to state Attorney General Josh Shapiro seeking an investigation into what he called a failure to notify lawmakers and staff of the positive test as required under guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention... https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/coronavirus-case-pa-lawmaker-democrats-republicans-20200528.html
  11. Read in its entirety: Trump notes 'very sad milestone' after U.S. coronavirus death toll surpasses 100,000
  12. zzb13 wrote “And to top it all off, I very much enjoy the fact that I pay $2 something for gasoline, not $5 a gallon, which was the direction we were headed in.” I just picked this comment as I’m not sure why you think trump has any thing to do with gas prices dropping. What actually happened is saudi arabia & russia are having an oil war, which “will also directly rattle the United States. U.S. oil prices had tumbled to a four-year low of $27.34 a barrel in anticipation of Saudi Arabia saturating the market with excess crude in its quest to take back market share.” https://www.foxnews.com/world/russia-and-saudi-arabia-spark-unprecedented-oil-war I suggest you read the entire article. And if you can give a reason how trump caused gas prices to drop, please post.
  13. toomuchbaloney

    Social Media Silences Conservatives?

    More that just a little bit of Trump's thinking and behavior falls into the province of tin pot dictators and authoritarians. Certainly a pattern of removing all IGs who dare to investigate charges of corruption or malfeasance in the administration is evidence of that consolidation of power.
  14. Sure. When a rant like that ends with the completely partisan and baseless claim that the Obama presidency was a disaster, I just chuckle. One hundred thousand dead Americans with millions more on the edge of economic collapse, while the wealthiest profit from the pandemic, in the most incompetent federal pandemic response in history and here we read that Obama was the disaster. Bwahahaha Why are you worked up about some partisan campaign conspiracy theory that Biden strong armed Ukraine but it's apparently OK for Trump to strong arm Ukraine for personal political investigations? The hypocrisy is stunning if you condemn the previous VP for doing what you said is OK for the POTUS. It's OK that you don't know what patriotic role modeling is, there isn't much evidence of it among the GOP today. Nonpartisan patriotism is almost unrecognizable and uncommon in the public life of Trumpublican leadership. Loyalty to the president's latest narrative (con/distraction/deflection/projection) is most important.
  15. Read in its entirety: Trump threatens to 'close' down social media platforms after Twitter fact checks claims on mail-in voting fraud
  16. toomuchbaloney

    Trump Goes Maskless

    My representative, Don "Beer Virus" Young, proudly posted images of himself and scores of unmasked veterans and citizens gathering to commemorate Memorial Day. The lack of leadership is appalling and embarrassing.
  17. HiddencatBSN

    Does Trump have Covid?

    I agree, and have worked on safe staffing campaigns....that have been torpedoed by massive counter-campaigns run by the American Nurses Association. Whenever anyone mentions that org with reverence I feel my blood pressure rise and don’t even get me started on Magnet designation.
  18. We are in the process of losing our republic to corrupt charlatans right this very moment. Trump just fired the IG investigating another of his hand picked kleptocrats. It's a pattern of behavior; consolidating power and removing limits on authority are obvious signs that my grandchildren are likely to grow up in some authoritarian sh!+hole rather than the country we were promised. https://www.citizensforethics.org/trump-removed-watchdog-investigating-elaine-chao-mcconnell-vetted-replacement/
  19. herring_RN

    Does Trump have Covid?

    Thank you! We choose not to join the compact. But I think all patients deserve safe, effective, competent, and compassionate nursing care when needed. I think all nurses should be able to have what they need to provide it. It is worth working for. https://www.nationalnursesunited.org/ratios
  20. Deep down inside, the fact that so many people are not only OK with that, but actually champion that behavior, and that a number of clergy openly do the same, makes me fear for the future of our country, toomuchbaloney.
  21. Perplex

    Does Trump have Covid?

    And this my good lady is why the state compact should not apply to California and travel nurses should not be allowed to work in California unless their is a shortage of nurses. I do not live in California, but... I respect the work that they did to achieve what they have; high pay and safe working standards. People in other states who didn't bleed and sweat to make the changes in their state because they were either too scared or lacked the drive, do not deserve what California has. You guys are awesome!
  22. herring_RN

    Does Trump have Covid?

    Yes it is. Even after signing a bill requiring enforcement of the ratios the governor considered waiving the ratios in his preparation for hospitals response to Coronavirus. It didn't happen.
  23. herring_RN

    Does Trump have Covid?

    We, the majority of RNs working in California, achieved a law requiring safe staffing in our state. First we had each state office holder assined a volunteer nurse to educate them and their staffs regarding safe staffing for acute care hospitals. We collected signature and got an initiative on the ballot. It didn't win, but did get people learning and talking about staffing. The first time our bill was up for a vote if didn't get out of committee. Next we interviewed every candidate for state office who would meet with us. Then we supported those who said they supported state staffing ratios. Most were elected. The next time the bill won, but was vetoed by the governor. Then we had a team of nurses interview all candidates for governor. Just one said he would "probably" vote for our bill. We took a chance and achieved safe staffing. Now years later patients are more likely to survive because we have less "Failure To Rescue" deaths than other states. We did NOT take into account the party of the candidates in our decisions, however most of those who supported safe staffing ratios were Democrats, but many Democrats believed the hospital associations talking points. We did not work on their campaigns..
  24. One man is confident in his ability to demonstrate patriotic role modeling during a somber memorial to the fallen, in the midst of a national health emergency. That man know knows the weight of grief, loss, and the accountability of leadership. The other man is an empowered idiot who only seems capable of bullying, belittling and belligerent, narcissistic bull$#%£.
  25. Read in its entirety. Memorial Day offers array of contrasts as Biden and Trump salute war dead, with and without masks
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