(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
That is flipping crazy. That can't be true. We just need to wear a mask here if we opt out. If a hospital makes it mandatory, they will surely get sued.
It's the same with MMR vaccine: women should not get pregnant for no less than 28 days afterward, due to risk of teratogenic effects. (Although that is a live attenuated virus and quite a different vaccine.) I would not advise my patient to just skip an MMR booster if non-immune or non responder, just because they are anti birth control based on their religion. That would be akin to Russian roulette, given the outbreaks of wild measles in the last few years. I find it unlikely that folks who are anti-birth control would get a covid vaccine anyway. PS, COVID vaccines are Halal and Kosher approved. They are gelatin and egg free. Just full of mRNA though.
Specializes in in primary care pediatrics and NICU.
Just now, Babyboss 19 said:
I would not advise my patient to just skip an MMR booster if non-immune or non responder, just because they are anti birth control based on their religion. That would be akin to Russian roulette, given the outbreaks of wild measles in the last few years.
clarified: I WOULD counsel my patient to NOT SKIP the MMR, but abstain for 2 months.
I feel no guilt for your being "shamed" about getting the vaccine. I am so frustrated with many of my coworkers for feeling the same way. All of them have been lucky enough to never have been really sick, or have loved ones die.
It is clear none of them have done any research about it all. This is not about your feelings or some obscure "It just doesnt feel right" excuse.
You are in a profession that is dependent on SCIENCE, and even take care of covid patients. If anyone should take it, it would be you! Do you know why what Northrup says is nuts? Do you remember why it cannot get into the nucleus of our cells - and thereby not change our DNA? It's not possible. Do you understand that much of the research on this vaccine already existed, for well over a decade - because there are so many corona viruses - so the argument - "It came out too fast" means nothing? Do you know that researchers were given the genome and that's why so many companies around the world were able to work on it at the same time and quickly? Do you know who the immigrant couple from BioNTech are? I'm so appreciative of them. Do you know that if someone is going to have side effects its usually within the first 6 weeks after the vaccine is given? Do you know why it actually will not affect your fertility? If you believe Bill Gates is trying to kill us then just hang up your nursing hat now.
Do you understand that when you get "facts" and I say that very loosely, from facebook, that you are going down a rabbit hole where everything you read will be from an algorithm that's full of conspiracy theories? Watch "the Social Dilemma"
The information is out there and readily available. Scientists have dedicated their lives to this for months on end. I'm not posting it here, because I'm not going to spoon feed you or anybody else who doesnt want to take a hour or two out of their day to actually learn.
I am in remission from an incurable cancer and working in a hospital. I did nothing to get the cancer I got. The other coworkers who want it have had parents die from covid or have spouses with cancer.
Start reading and tell your friends.
I hope the $1500 thing is false, because that's horrifying that anyone in healthcare would need an "incentive." Come on, people
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
55 minutes ago, Nurse791 said:
Honestly, I would not get it. It has not been tested long. And from the research I've done, it looks like a scary thing.
They are trying to control us with fear. Remember that. And open your mind up. Now is the time to use our critical thinking .
Btw. I am no longer at student. I have to change my ID.
What in your research scares you? Can you share some links for discussion?
Who is trying to control people with fear? It seems to me that people are choosing not to vaccinate out of fear...that was your stated reason. Conversely, people are wanting the vaccine because of hope and confidence in the science.
My main concerns will be if the Democrats take both seats in Georgia. If that happens the next steps will likely be to do away with the filibuster rule. Then and only then will the Supreme Court likely be "altered" in number with an increased number of seats appointed by Biden. Then and only then due my concerns become much greater. As for the immigration laws, that was meant as an analogy. Certain so called "sanctuary cities" were less inclined to support federal enforcement of immigration law (and were effective in doing this to different degrees). My hopes were that "ultra" conservative states like Wyoming might be less inclined to enforce possible forthcoming federal mandates on Covid, guns and other issues. If necessary I am willing to leave my 300K per year 1099 job and live in a single wide trailer high in Rocky Mountains in the hopes that it means having freedom for a little while longer. I wouldn't trade 100 years of extra life if it means giving up my liberties.
I rarely comment on this forum as I mostly just enjoy reading the posts; however, I wanted to respond to this post. You state you are concerned about Democrats winning the Senate along with already winning the Presidency and the House of Representatives. I think is natural for conservatives to be concerned and I can understand.
Only four short years ago, I was fearful and disappointed as I watched Republicans control the House, Senate, and Presidency. I was dismayed at policies being brought forth. Did much really impact my personal life? Not really. Did it impact other Americans? I'm sure some policies did.
What I'm trying to convey is that whether a political party controls large portions of the government at any given time does not usually cause huge, rapid changes. Change takes time and the United States is pretty good at balance (or lack of action, depending on how you look at it).
I'm not sure whether moving to Wyoming or "more conservative" state would really be that different. Left of center voters, like myself, survived the last few years and I'm sure conservatives will carry on now. I tell my disappointed, fearful conservative friends and family this and I mean it sincerely, not with condescension.
Lastly, I truly do not think unvaccinated people will be barred from certain places. Even with mask mandates, unmasked people go into any stores or wherever. It does not seem there are any repercussions, because employees are told not to confront the unmasked person. Why would this be any different with an unvaccinated person?
I should add that I always wear a mask and plan on getting a vaccine. I'm going to read up the vaccine research. I believe in personal rights, but I also believe in science and vaccination is the right choice for me.
The information is out there and readily available. Scientists have dedicated their lives to this for months on end. I'm not posting it here, because I'm not going to spoon feed you or anybody else who doesnt want to take a hour or two out of their day to actually learn.
I'll put that information out there, because I want to believe it helps, spoon-feeding or not.
Here is the phase 3 trial of the pfizer vaccine, as submitted to the FDA:
Both sets of data were encouraging in my view. And there's plenty to talk about using this data as a starting point.
I understand concerns about autonomy in the event of workplace mandates (which I still think generally won't happen for a while due to the EUA), longer-term effects that we haven't had time to see, or rare side-effects that the trials were underpowered to detect.
With that said, I see a lot of scaremongering from people who have not apparently read the studies. I also see a tendency to play down the risk of covid in spite of mountains of evidence to the contrary along with the testimony of thousands of healthcare workers right here on this forum taking care of these patients on a daily basis. Myself included. Please stop this, people. Read the data. Ask questions about it until you understand it.
If you are a healthcare professional and you are on a professional forum telling people to be afraid of the vaccine without even reading the trial results, even with it all linked nice and handy right in this thread... frankly, I think that's plain embarrassing.
No one EVER forces anyone to take a vaccine. If you don't want the vaccine just take another job away from direct patient care. If I needed 20/20 vision to become a pilot I would have the surgery to correct my vision because it's the job I wanted to do. If I didn't want to have LASIK, I'd obviously have to do something else. If you don't believe the underlying science in in medicine and nursing, maybe it's time to move on to something new. Even if a 50 vaccine is only 50% effective, it is giving you some level of protection. It's unrealistic to ask for 100% effectiveness. There is no such thing as 100% and 0% in medicine.
Hi. I am kind of surprised by how many nurses seem to be subscribing to bad theories and non-science based information regarding the COVID-19 pandemic. I know nurses who believe COVID-19 is a hoax and the Democrats did it and it would disappear after the election. And these are people who are taking care of patients! That’s concerning.
I would take this vaccine if given the opportunity. Also that $1500 stimulus is simply an idea being said aloud. It’s too bad that it has come to bribing people to take a vaccine in the midst of a pandemic. What is wrong with people?
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That is flipping crazy. That can't be true. We just need to wear a mask here if we opt out. If a hospital makes it mandatory, they will surely get sued.
I did not say the covid vaccine was mandatory. Here it is optional. It is encouraged but optional.
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Honestly, I would not get it. It has not been tested long. And from the research I've done, it looks like a scary thing.
They are trying to control us with fear. Remember that. And open your mind up. Now is the time to use our critical thinking .
Btw. I am no longer at student. I have to change my ID.