(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
ER nurse here and couldn’t pay me any amount to take it.
1 hour ago, blue_bug said:
If you have to ask this question that makes me wonder how much you’ve researched it and how your critical thinking skills. A new technology, skipped testing phases, rushed to market with significant side effects are just a few of the reasons.
34 minutes ago, blue_bug said:
I don’t feel like I need to offer citations, this is a social media forum, not a court of law. I did offer several facts all of which are easily found if you want to look. I actually am quite busy at the moment, if I get bored I may copy and paste them for the rest of the ones reading this, but you can just as easily look them up.
I’m assuming that it is the Pfizer vaccine you’re talking about? What are the significant side effects you’re talking about? I’ve read the data released and I didn’t find anything that looked out of the ordinary, so it would be interesting to know what made you arrive at your conclusion.
I don’t agree that you’ve offered any facts, only opinions and your interpretation of the available facts. Which trial phases do you think were skipped?
You don’t have to provide sources for anything, but I don’t think that many posters will regard your opinions as facts without them.
It might just be me, but I find it odd that so many posters appear to feel a need to take time out of their busy days just to share with others that they have no intention of taking a Covid-19 vaccine. The decision in itself isn’t super interesting to others, but a solid rationale could be of interest and something to discuss among professionals.
For all of you being "hesitant" why don't you tell us all what research you've done??
Has the research shown the long term affects of the vaccine? How many medications have been pulled off the market once long term issues come up? Zantac is a good example of why I will wait and see what the long term effects are.
And your comments are exactly what is wrong with our society today. Very sad that you make harsh, rash judgments and decide to start degrading as a weapon. I don’t feel like I need to offer citations, this is a social media forum, not a court of law. I did offer several facts all of which are easily found if you want to look. I actually am quite busy at the moment, if I get bored I may copy and paste them for the rest of the ones reading this, but you can just as easily look them up. I however am done communicating with you, I don’t need bullies taking up my precious time. ✌️
That is exactly one reason I am waiting since anyone voices anything but the company line is bullied, called names etc.
1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:
LOL
If only your remarks about the vaccine didn't reflect poorly informed opinion. You've offered no facts or citations to support your statements.
Where are your citations to back up your claim that the vaccine is needed?
Has the research shown the long term affects of the vaccine?
Geez guys. How could it? The trials are a few months worth of data. Please read them. I posted them more than once.
Can we have an intelligent discussion about the likely long-term effects of the vaccines, now please? Maybe we can weigh the likely long-term effects of this vaccine (no reason to suspect any, really, but we can check out long-term effects of other vaccines and also MRNA's track record in oncology, which I also posted links to elsewhere in this thread) against the likely long-term effects of covid-19, which we have reason to suspect are many and often pretty severe, despite not having too much time to study the virus either.
Has the research shown the long term affects of the vaccine?
Do you have a reasonable expectation that they would be more common or more severe in nature than the morbidity, sequelae and mortality we’ve already seen from Covid-19? If you do, based on what? I’m curious how your risk/benefit calculation looks?
What do you consider long term effects? Six months? A year? Ten years? How long does it usually take for the rare 1/10,000 or 1/100,000 vaccine side effects to reveal themselves assuming they exist? Are you worried about the 1/100,000 potential side effects? Do you drive a car? Have a stressful job? Exposure to ??
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
6 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:
Has the research shown the long term affects of the vaccine? How many medications have been pulled off the market once long term issues come up? Zantac is a good example of why I will wait and see what the long term effects
7 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:
That is exactly one reason I am waiting since anyone voices anything but the company line is bullied, called names etc.
Where are your citations to back up your claim that the vaccine is needed?
Is that a serious question? How about 300,000 dead Americans, health systems strained and exhausted, and a very troubled economy?
What "company line"? What does that mean in context of sharing facts and information in a discussion about covid vaccines? No one is being bullied here. What name calling are you referencing?
My hospital (Long Island, NY) is offering the vaccine as of Monday 12/14/20. They sent out an email saying it is voluntary with the caveat that if NY mandates it so will they. I am up in the air about it. I do believe in vaccines and science but being rushed this much has made me hesitant. I will decide by this week.
For all of you being "hesitant" why don't you tell us all what research you've done??
The hesitancy comes from it being rushed by a government that for the most part downplayed it. Also, there is lacking research on it since it was rushed. That is why I am hesitant about it.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
11 minutes ago, FutureNP2023 said:
My hospital (Long Island, NY) is offering the vaccine as of Monday 12/14/20. They sent out an email saying it is voluntary with the caveat that if NY mandates it so will they. I am up in the air about it. I do believe in vaccines and science but being rushed this much has made me hesitant. I will decide by this week.
Try this mental exercise...why would pharmaceutical companies across the globe rush to complete a coronavirus vaccine technology all at the same time? What kinds of things might motivate or cause that?
Now look at the known data and information about life on earth in 2020...had anything happened or changed that might answer the first questions?
When there are hoofbeats behind us we should expect the hooved animal most common to our environment. Don't look for zebras in horse country, right? In other words, a very contagious, novel covid with a high M&M inspired the development. That's the most obvious, easily demonstrated reason.
Is that a serious question? How about 300,000 dead Americans, health systems strained and exhausted, and a very troubled economy?
What "company line"? What does that mean in context of sharing facts and information in a discussion about covid vaccines? No one is being bullied here. What name calling are you referencing?
My approach would be more in line with the Great Barrington Declarationhttps://gbdeclaration.org/ Which essentially states that most people (those under 60 with no great comorbidities) are at low risk from this disease and should therefore "eat, work, live and play" more or less as normal (with masks). However, those at greater risk should receive heightened protection. Vaccines (if they want them), reduced waived rent, delivered groceries/pharmacies. In this way the economy can go on and we can better "protect the most vulnerable". We lose over 480,000 people each year from cigarette smoking each year and another 95,000 to alcohol related deaths (according to the CDC). These substances often strike people down at much younger average ages than Covid . However, we don't even seriously discuss banning these substances. To say nothing of the excess deaths that are occurring from depression, suicides, cancers going undetected (from people fearful of going to the hospital due to covid). Probably 30% of my clients in the Washington area haven't even left their homes since March due to fear of covid. I will ask them why they are not getting early morning light and exercise which would help them feel less suicidal and they will say "too many people and I'm afraid even with a mask outdoors". Most of these people are in their 20's and 30's and their statistical risk of morbidity and mortality is almost certainly exponentially higher from their lack of physical activity and solitude than their very, very small chance of dying. Almost any risk from the vaccine exceeds the risk from the virus in healthy people especially once you get to under 50. As I pointed out I've had this disease twice that I know of and the second time was less severe than the first (which was like a moderate case of the flu). In all probability we will all get this disease many, many times, but on average it will be less severe for most people with each exposure.
Almost any risk from the vaccine exceeds the risk from the virus in healthy people especially once you get to under 50.
Please stop making up BS and posting it as a fact. You have no way of knowing this, and it is almost certainly incorrect. I've personally coded a dozen or more covid patients under 50 this year. Strangely, I've never once coded anyone due to vaccine complications. Edit your posts and be more responsible.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
2 minutes ago, myoglobin said:
My approach would be more in line with the Great Barrington Declarationhttps://gbdeclaration.org/ Which essentially states that most people (those under 60 with no great comorbidities) are at low risk from this disease and should therefore "eat, work, live and play" more or less as normal (with masks). However, those at greater risk should receive heightened protection. Vaccines (if they want them), reduced waived rent, delivered groceries/pharmacies. In this way the economy can go on and we can better "protect the most vulnerable". We lose over 480,000 people each year from cigarette smoking each year and another 95,000 to alcohol related deaths (according to the CDC). These substances often strike people down at much younger average ages than Covid . However, we don't even seriously discuss banning these substances. To say nothing of the excess deaths that are occurring from depression, suicides, cancers going undetected (from people fearful of going to the hospital due to covid). Probably 30% of my clients in the Washington area haven't even left their homes since March due to fear of covid. I will ask them why they are not getting early morning light and exercise which would help them feel less suicidal and they will say "too many people and I'm afraid even with a mask outdoors". Most of these people are in their 20's and 30's and their statistical risk of morbidity and mortality is almost certainly exponentially higher from their lack of physical activity and solitude than their very, very small chance of dying. Almost any risk from the vaccine exceeds the risk from the virus in healthy people especially once you get to under 50. As I pointed out I've had this disease twice that I know of and the second time was less severe than the first (which was like a moderate case of the flu). In all probability we will all get this disease many, many times, but on average it will be less severe for most people with each exposure.
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The strategy of employing vaccines to achieve herd immunity for deadly diseases is sound.
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I’m assuming that it is the Pfizer vaccine you’re talking about? What are the significant side effects you’re talking about? I’ve read the data released and I didn’t find anything that looked out of the ordinary, so it would be interesting to know what made you arrive at your conclusion.
I don’t agree that you’ve offered any facts, only opinions and your interpretation of the available facts. Which trial phases do you think were skipped?
You don’t have to provide sources for anything, but I don’t think that many posters will regard your opinions as facts without them.
It might just be me, but I find it odd that so many posters appear to feel a need to take time out of their busy days just to share with others that they have no intention of taking a Covid-19 vaccine. The decision in itself isn’t super interesting to others, but a solid rationale could be of interest and something to discuss among professionals.