How soon can we expect to see cases go down now that Biden is president?

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Will there never be another surge of positive cases and deaths now?

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On 12/5/2020 at 8:42 PM, DesiDani said:

No one knows, not even the scientist, if after getting the vaccine you can still be a carrier and transmit it. It is irresponsible to think as soon after you get your shot(s) you can throw off your mask and start yelling in peoples faces. 

What are you TALKING about?  No one has said that a vaccine is going to be a panacea - it's just going to be better.  Please, show me who said that we can run around coughing in people's faces.  Your posts don't have any reasoning - you just throw stupid ideas out looking to see if any of them stick on the ceiling.

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40 minutes ago, subee said:

What are you TALKING about?  No one has said that a vaccine is going to be a panacea - it's just going to be better.  Please, show me who said that we can run around coughing in people's faces.  Your posts don't have any reasoning - you just throw stupid ideas out looking to see if any of them stick on the ceiling.

Wow. It was an expression. Why so angry? Seriously? I am fully aware that MANY here don't like my posts. But I have NEVER CALLED ANY ONE'S POST  STUPID or criticized anyone's post in a dismissive hostile manner. 

If you feel the need to hate my posts do so in a civil manner. If you don't it is just noise.

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On 12/5/2020 at 8:42 PM, DesiDani said:

No one knows, not even the scientist, if after getting the vaccine you can still be a carrier and transmit it. It is irresponsible to think as soon after you get your shot(s) you can throw off your mask and start yelling in peoples faces. 

I can't speak for your experience but I didn't notice in this thread or any on any news that people are advocating getting the vaccine and throwing off their mask and yelling in people's faces.

We are hoping for herd immunity and a flattening of the curve to the point that restrictions can be lifted and this includes wearing masks.  When the vaccine is rolled out, I think it's understood that restrictions and mask wearing will have to be maintained at first until at least 60 or more percent of us are vaccinated, or cases are so low.  As a healthcare worker I might be in the first wave of those receiving it, but I'm still gong to be wearing my mask and certainly, even though I might feel like it, not be yelling in anyone's face.  LOL

The problem is skepticism and resistance to the vaccine seems to be strong.  It's so strong that my employer already had to issue a statement that it wasn't going to be mandatory because so many people aren't going to take it and we are healthcare workers.

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On 12/8/2020 at 3:23 AM, Tweety said:

I can't speak for your experience but I didn't notice in this thread or any on any news that people are advocating getting the vaccine and throwing off their mask and yelling in people's faces.

We are hoping for herd immunity and a flattening of the curve to the point that restrictions can be lifted and this includes wearing masks.  When the vaccine is rolled out, I think it's understood that restrictions and mask wearing will have to be maintained at first until at least 60 or more percent of us are vaccinated, or cases are so low.  As a healthcare worker I might be in the first wave of those receiving it, but I'm still gong to be wearing my mask and certainly, even though I might feel like it, not be yelling in anyone's face.  LOL

The problem is skepticism and resistance to the vaccine seems to be strong.  It's so strong that my employer already had to issue a statement that it wasn't going to be mandatory because so many people aren't going to take it and we are healthcare workers.

Thanks for being civil

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TRUMP IS CRAZY

Did you watch Trump's vaccine summit? Yep...he's excited that he heard that we have 15% of the population with herd immunity. 

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On 11/19/2020 at 7:07 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

1. LOL. 

2. Fines and fees can be associated with maskless presence in public.  The amount of the fine can escalate with each occurrence. Masks protect people during a pandemic...yellow stars were used to identify Jews for separation and persecution...it's odd that you think they are somehow similar. 

3. The fact that is not going away is all the more reason that everyone should be wearing masks and practicing crowd avoidance. We're not concerned wih how survivable you believe it is, the problem comes from how deadly it is for a significant portion of the population.  It's also odd that a traveling crisis staffing RN would be so cavalier about the suffering and death that you have presumably witnessed. It's especially distressing to understand that strong leadership from the federal government would likely have prevented some of the deaths. 

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/covid-19s-other-unnecessary-death-toll/

 

I guess patient rights to autonomy go out the window in your Totalitarian World view. 

Pay no attention to the facts. Everyone will eventually get the 'VID'. The majority of people who do get it will survive.

The Federal Government isn't working. So your solution is more government, laws, and taxes/fines. Because that worked out so well for the Native Americans.

If the government was so concerned about saving lives. Smoking would've been outlawed years ago. As it is one of the primary causes of preventable disease and death.

You're obviously not a student of history, government or even an advocate of human rights. So do us all a favor and stop pretending to be.

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4 hours ago, cyc0sys said:

I guess patient rights to autonomy go out the window in your Totalitarian World view. 

Pay no attention to the facts. Everyone will eventually get the 'VID'. The majority of people who do get it will survive.

The Federal Government isn't working. So your solution is more government, laws, and taxes/fines. Because that worked out so well for the Native Americans.

If the government was so concerned about saving lives. Smoking would've been outlawed years ago. As it is one of the primary causes of preventable disease and death.

You're obviously not a student of history, government or even an advocate of human rights. So do us all a favor and stop pretending to be.

Patient autonomy? LOL explain that. 

Facts? Are you suggesting that we should may relax into herd immunity? Is that the point your remark about survival of the majority  is trying to make? Why not flesh that outlier thinking out for us to discuss, eh?

The federal government isn't working because the fellow currently in charge of the federal government is incompetent in addition to not working.  My solution is that we remove incompetent, corrupt and destructive people from government and require it to do it's job rather than legislate for the oligarchs and grifters (like Trump and his cabinet).

If the government was interested in saving lives it wouldn't be following the musings and rants of a crazy and dishonest narcissist.  But about 70% of state government and a majority of the senate seem content to let the impeached grifter and charlatan tell them how to govern. So here we are. In the midst of a raging pandemic that could have been significantly controlled had there actually been responsible political leadership from republicans. Partisan incompetence from the top down is a how part of our government's problem.  It starts at the top and extends to every institution that his cronies are disabling while he creates a sense of deep distrust among his cult members.  That serves his purposes well.  Trump's con will continue and millions will believe every bit of it. 

In your opinion I'm not a student of history or an advocate for human rights. Your opinion would appear to be deeply flawed.  

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6 hours ago, cyc0sys said:

I guess patient rights to autonomy go out the window in your Totalitarian World view. 

Pay no attention to the facts. Everyone will eventually get the 'VID'. The majority of people who do get it will survive.

 

Right to autonomy? You mean I can take intoxicants and sedatives and drive an automobile? If someone gets hurt, well that just the price of living in a free society.  If I have infectious TB I can choose whether I isolate or not? Heck, not stopping at a stop sign is my choice, and really, not that many people die, right? 

Technically, by definition, a majority is one person above 50%. So what is your cut-off for how many live and how many die? In my area, 2% of those infected have died. So for the US that would be nearly 6 1/2 million people. That seems like a lot. Of course most of them are old or obese or brown. Does that make their deaths acceptable to you? 

 

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11 hours ago, cyc0sys said:

I guess patient rights to autonomy go out the window in your Totalitarian World view. 

Pay no attention to the facts. Everyone will eventually get the 'VID'. The majority of people who do get it will survive.

The Federal Government isn't working. So your solution is more government, laws, and taxes/fines. Because that worked out so well for the Native Americans.

If the government was so concerned about saving lives. Smoking would've been outlawed years ago. As it is one of the primary causes of preventable disease and death.

You're obviously not a student of history, government or even an advocate of human rights. So do us all a favor and stop pretending to be.

The majority of post, which is generally incoherent, would benefit from some supporting evidence / rationale, or just better explanation.

The only part that appears straightforward is "Everyone will eventually get the 'VID'. The majority of people who do get it will survive"

That statement is absolutely correct, the majority (>50%) will survive.  But given your scenario where "everyone" in the US gets it, that would result in more than 6 million deaths given the current case-fatality rate.   And that includes more than 600,000 children.  

The exact cut-off for when a disregard for the health and wellbeing of others becomes sociopathic behavior is certainly debatable, but this number of fatalities is clearly well beyond any debatable gray area.  And while I understand that your apparent personality disorder is not necessarily completely within your control, I don't think we should be leaving public health decisions to sociopaths such as yourself.

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1 hour ago, MunoRN said:

...The exact cut-off for when a disregard for the health and wellbeing of others becomes sociopathic behavior is certainly debatable, but this number of fatalities is clearly well beyond any debatable gray area.  And while I understand that your apparent personality disorder is not necessarily completely within your control, I don't think we should be leaving public health decisions to sociopaths such as yourself.

Unfortunately, Trump is a sociopath who has undue influence on the federal covid response.  His influence on the state level is also nicely illustrated in the rising number of hospitalized and dead. 

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On 11/8/2020 at 2:32 PM, Tweety said:

According to a lot of people it was an "election infection" and cases would go down after the election.  

So far we set a world record of 130,000 cases.  

Here in Florida we had almost 7,000 cases yesterday.  Our rate of positivity in my county yesterday was 8%.  
 

Even though I knew this was crazy I almost hoped it was true that the surge was a political ploy of the Democrats and the fake news media.  

We are going to have a surge and we are going to have to deal with it.  

I agree.  The 70 million people that voted for Trump in particular aren't going to listen to Biden and magically do as he says. 

People already know what to do anyway and Biden doesn't need to tell us again.

I agree.  I don't know why anyone thinks something magical is going to happen on inauguration day.  

100 days of mask wearing.....really?  By the time that 100 says are up, it'll be about 300 days of mask mandate here in Colorado.   We arent any better off then anywhere else.

 

 

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