Fed-up: Admin will not even meet with me so I can withdrawal. A warning to others.

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Hey everyone,

I recently posted about an issue I am having and the great people here at AN helped me come to a decision. I am getting the heck out of nursing school. Sorry I ever invested a minute in this abusive profession. Do a search for 'Nurses, Abuse" on any search engine, here on AN, or in your school's peer reviewed library. It is utterly insane how many results there are. Patients abusing nurses, nurses abusing other nurses, managers abusing nurses, professors abusing nursing students, clinical instructors abusing students...Why did I refuse to see the writing on the wall? I guess because I though I could just find the right job and avoid it. Nope.

Anyway, I wanted to vent and to share what has happened to me so that others are empowered through all the knowledge they can gain, if they choose to research before deciding to enter nursing school.

Just how abusive is it? Here is a story. You can look at my last post to garner details about the abuse that lead me to the decision to leave the program...but here is what has happened to me since I decided to leave and TRIED to do so...

Normal process for any grievance is to contact the program director. Not an option in may case because she has lied, refuses to let me bring someone with me as a witness during meetings, refuses to speak with me via email, and previous verbal communication has come back to bite me on the buttocks. At this point, she is unwilling to allow me ANY kind of witness--be it a human or a cyber witness. And, I am so traumatized that I don't feel I can meet with her at all, in any capacity at this point.

So, I contact the Associate Dean (next in line and normal stepping stone if you cannot goto the director). I explain that I have tried to speak with the director and she will not do so in any way that I (and the schools handbook outlines as acceptable) feel comfortable with.

She denies me. Says I must meet with the director first..after I just explained that I tried to do so via email or with someone else to witness meeting.

So, I contact the Dean. Same thing.

So, I contact the Dean of Academic Affairs of the School of Nursing. She won't even return my email. Small department, statement already made to indicate that they have spoken about the matter.

All I want is to get the heck OUT. It is my first semester. My financial aid is at stake. My future is at stake. I just want to discuss the issues that have led me to this decision and find out my options as to how to best withdrawal without ramifications to my academic future (in another field).

They are so abusive that they will not even let me leave. Talk about slavery. My only saving grace is that I know people outside the nursing department and although I would rather avoid it, I can pull that weight if I have to. Most students don't have this option, so what do they do?

What will you do if it happens to you?

If you are considering attending nursing school, I highly suggest that you speak with recent prior students to discuss the REAL situation, not just GPA entry requirements or HESI exams. But the real meat of the program. If I had done so, I would have attended somewhere else and most likely, would have become a FNP. Can't say that I am going to be disappointed though. I have resigned to the fact that they are doing me a favor by reminding me about the abuse aspect of this career in my first semester rather than after years of time invested and at my first job.

Make wise choices.

This is a vent and information sharing post. I am not looking for feedback because any constructive feedback as to what I can do would require me revealing too much about the internal structure of my program and may ID me.

Once things blow over, I'll reveal more, but for now I can't.

But seriously, here I am having to study my butt off for a class that I hope to be able to withdrawal from, incase I can't. I can't even garner a meeting with someone so that I can have an exit interview, unless I expose myself to abuse by the director. This is ridiculous.

To all the kind instructors out there, who want students to succeed and who value top students, bless you.

To the abusive ones, to quote Bob Dylan, "You ain't worth the blood/That runs in your veins".

Hope this helps someone out there somewhere to make an informed choice as to if you really want to attend nursing school. I'm not saying you shouldn't, just sharing my journey so you know it could happen to you.

You can be, and many students ARE, abused in nursing school.

go back to admissions, etc. Tell them your trying to withdraw, but they will not set an appointment to met with you. Adn ask them NO WHAT??

WHY do you need someone there?? You just need them to sign off on your withdrawal. Leave the drama at the door. It will not get you anywhere. Your not going to 'get them." It's their sandbox and if your leaving, they don't care what you got to say. That is how it is. Sooo, you really don't have anything to say, but "Please withdraw me". End of story, your done. Exit left.

Everything else is just stressing you. And I doubt you need that.

Something is not adding up here... The OP is capriciously throwing around the allegation of abuse like it's free. This post makes no sense to me. So... you're saying that because you got yourself into some situation that now nursing school is abusive and that others should think twice before entering the profession? Is this post for real?

Something is not adding up here... The OP is capriciously throwing around the allegation of abuse like it's free. This post makes no sense to me. So... you're saying that because you got yourself into some situation that now nursing school is abusive and that others should think twice before entering the profession? Is this post for real?

Yes, one must wonder when the melodrama increases with each post. Hope there is not something seriously wrong with the OP.

Slavery? Really?

Prison?

You're being dramatic. Not sure what this "abuse" is, but go withdraw at the registrars office. Worst case scenario, you've wasted a semester of cash. Oh well, move on.

Hmmm. I think the OP needs a mental health check. If it is abuse, then PTSD seems to be rearing up. If it's not abuse, the OP is delusional and still needs help.

The last couple of threads started by this person are, well, ridiculous and convoluted. My bipolar cousin gets this way when he's about to land himself in jail again because his bosses don't recognize his awesomeness.

I'm not saying the OP is bipolar or delusional, but some signs of mental health issues are there and should be evaluated.

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
Slavery? Really?

Prison?

You're being dramatic. Not sure what this "abuse" is, but go withdraw at the registrars office. Worst case scenario, you've wasted a semester of cash. Oh well, move on.

THIS.

Transfer to another program and kick rocks to this program.

The. End.

Specializes in 15 years in ICU, 22 years in PACU.

As the OP CLEARLY stated, she does not want advice or solutions or support or sympathy. Just wants to whine and warn other overly dramatic potential nursing students out there.

So I am not addressing this non-winner.

But to those interested in a response from a satisfied career nurse, here goes....

When you search for "abuse" you will almost exclusively find it! (Same with bullying and discrimination)

Your personal problems are not welcome in the workplace.

Nurses are problem solvers in stressful situations.

Flexible hours, variety of work environments, intelligent, funny, passionate workmates, having a career that matters, considered "essential personnel" on snow days, middle class income, number one trusted occupation in America.

Nursing is not for everybody.

There is no nursing shortage.

Not an easy 2 year degree and you'll have a job for life.

However, for a person with the right temperament (gotta like interacting with people) it really is a grand adventure.

The associate dean, and the dean have refused to meet with me until I first meet with the director. The director has refused speak with me via email and has refused to allow me to being anyone with me for an in-person meeting. I do not (for a plethora of reason's) trust meeting with the director without any kind of record. I have explained this (as well as my valid reasons, she has lied about several important things--the biggest being what program I am in) to the asst. dean/dean and they still refuse to meet with me unless I meet, alone, in-person, with the director first.

Hope I answered your question.

I said that I *strongly believed* that she had narcissistic personality disorder, I did not state it as a fact. And no, I am not a psychologist but I play one on TV. Seriously, you don't have to be a psychologist to recognize when someone isn't right.

Why all the bad vibes. I said I wasn't looking for advice and can anyone honestly say that they have not heard of and/or experienced similar issues at school or at work? Bullies?

Sounds like you went to a reasonable school.

Specializes in PACU.

Your only solution is to meet with the program director if that TRULY is the only way the school will allow you to withdrawal. I don't really see another way around it. Or, conversely, just finish this semester out and don't register/pay for the next semester and transfer elsewhere.

Specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.
Talk about slavery.
Welcome to Allnurses.com!

First of all, I might be ultra-sensitive when the word 'slavery' is mentioned, so I do not mean to offend. Be cognizant that you are attending school on your own volition and free will, and if you choose to drop out, no one will force you to stick around.

If you decide to stop attending nursing school one day, you might have very well locked yourself out of a nursing career, but you are free as can be. I guarantee the master and his posse will not track you down with dogs if you leave. We're definitely not talking about slavery here.

Go buy a cheap voice recorder at Walmart or call a friend right before the meeting, have that friend mute their phone and put yours on speaker phone. You don't need a witness in person, you can do that electronically.

Specializes in ER, TRAUMA, MED-SURG.
Stop going to class and see if you don't end up withdrawn.

This!

Anne, RNC

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