The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.
Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...
This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.
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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.
The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.
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1 hour ago, damiorifice said:
I’ve read that COVID-19 may be provoking T-cell mediated immunity which would explain the rapid decline in antibodies without vast reinfection. That would be deeply encouraging.
It’s a shame we don’t have a virus analogous to the relationship between smallpox/cowpox in this situation that would confer decades of T cell mediated immunity with less severe exposure related injury/death. Here is hoping some genius finds a way to neuter the virus with CRISPR producing an effective vaccination against the spike protein.
I didn't take it as you meaning harm. I was just expanding on why I think people are fearful. I'm afraid of corona because of my medical issues but I still go out, I just use precautions.
I agree, but I also have 5 severe medical issues. chronic asthmatic bronchitis, diabetes, obesity, MI, Hypertension. But I am not fearful, because I know if I follow the safety guidelines of staying at least 6 feet away from another person, washing or sanitizing my hands often, wearing a mask every time I leave my home (I live alone) I will be safe. If I see someone who is too close for me to go by in my motorized chair, or is not wearing a mask, I ask them to move because they are putting me and others in danger, and are not following the rules set by health experts or our governing leaders.
I follow Michael Osterholm's characterization in that it's not about waves. He likens it to a forest fire. As long as there's wood to burn, it will burn.
Oh, I was implying ahitwiththeladies was cold. I do have flattened effect, but I see that everyone no matter what kind of monster they might be has inherent worth. Everyone deserves love, especially the unlovable.
Conversely this virus situation seems to be about mitigating losses. I lean toward believing the peripheral effects of attempting to mitigate spread of the virus outweigh the cost of life that will be involved in achieving herd immunity. Consider the long term impact of thrusting a large swath of society into poverty. How many lost lives? How much chaos? How many children robbed of a future?
‘I also see that the collective will of the people will not tolerate more lockdown. But to each their own. We are all entitled to our opinions. People can only managed, not controlled.
Just an interesting story for the mask deniers. Something so simple and so cheap as a method to keep things as open as possible.
It sounds like people are ready to get on with the journey toward a couple million American deaths from COVID. So take off your mask...go out...eat, drink, shop...make yourself happy. Or do you require everyone to do as you do to make it work for you? Who is stopping you from behaving exactly as you prefer?
Certainly not the generation they think is so disposable who, at the same age, were off fighting WWII in leui of sardine packed lake parties.
Oh, I was implying ahitwiththeladies was cold. I do have flattened effect, but I see that everyone no matter what kind of monster they might be has inherent worth. Everyone deserves love, especially the unlovable.
Conversely this virus situation seems to be about mitigating losses. I lean toward believing the peripheral effects of attempting to mitigate spread of the virus outweigh the cost of life that will be involved in achieving herd immunity. Consider the long term impact of thrusting a large swath of society into poverty. How many lost lives? How much chaos? How many children robbed of a future?
‘I also see that the collective will of the people will not tolerate more lockdown. But to each their own. We are all entitled to our opinions. People can only managed, not controlled.
The economy is going to collapse anyway. That path was set when the DPA was not used in January (5 months later there's still mass PPE shortages) . It was set when the POTUS spent 2.5 months calling the virus a hoax. It was set when Potus and right wing groups then decided it was a win for them to politicize the pandemic and pit against Governors trying their best to keep their constituents alive. It was set when sound medical expertise about reopening was discarded and it was set when the lockdown time was squandered in that no national plan for contact tracing was established. It was certainly set when POTUS's annual two trillion dollar deficits were turned into 8 trillion with Javanka in charge of handing out two generations SS and Medicare to their buddies and donors. And it was set as the pandemic was politicized and left to wildfire , effectively staging the health care system for collapse.
And as it collapses, you are going to think the 2007-08 recession was the good old days. It's clear people don't even have a clue what is coming and how bad it's going to be.
I think MSM talking about it nonstop has made people fear for their lives. They have to realize that there are a lot of nonmedical people who don't understand so they're afraid. It's also not helpful to have medical professionals on different channels basically canceling each other out. For example, some are saying wear masks while others say they're not necessary. People are confused.
Considering the fact that in the former epicenter in the NE, 88pct of the vented pt. did not survive, pt. fear would seem reasonable.
I’ve read that COVID-19 may be provoking T-cell mediated immunity which would explain the rapid decline in antibodies without vast reinfection. That would be deeply encouraging.
it would be but we're one hell of a long way from being able to say anything like that. I myself am tired of the latest headline that never amounts to much (hydroxychoroquine, remdesimir, Vitamin D, famatodine, Vit. C infusions, etc) all of which has, IMO, contributed to a deficit in the things that achieved success in Canada, Germany, New Zealand, etc, etc - ie testing, contact tracing at a federal consistent means, social distancing, sanely timed and planned reopenings and mask wearing.
it would be but we're one hell of a long way from being able to say anything like that. I myself am tired of the latest headline that never amounts to much (hydroxychoroquine, remdesimir, Vitamin D, famatodine, Vit. C infusions, etc) all of which has, IMO, contributed to a deficit in the things that achieved success in Canada, Germany, New Zealand, etc, etc - ie testing, contact tracing at a federal consistent means, social distancing, sanely timed and planned reopenings and mask wearing.
Considering the fact that in the former epicenter in the NE, 88pct of the vented pt. did not survive, pt. fear would seem reasonable.
I didn't say fear was unreasonable. However, I think the super close living quarters in the NE made things worse. I also think it was in the country long before we knew it. Remember when people were dying from rare pneumonia and they were saying it was from e-cigs? I think covid was here then.
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I hope so.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-06-immunity-covid-higher-shown.html
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/cell-mediated-immunity
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0965-6