Coronavirus Second Wave?

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The new coronavirus outbreak in Beijing grew to 106 cases Tuesday, with 29 communities in the sprawling Chinese capital back on lockdown.

Yet again, a coronavirus outbreak in China is linked to a food market ...

This coronavirus resurgence and reaction is worryingly reminiscent of the unprecedented lockdown of Wuhan and the surrounding regions in central China that began in January.

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Beyond Beijing, this new surge is not Asia's only flare-up: Japan's capital city of Tokyo has reported more than 20 new cases havens here day over the past six days.

The surges in two of Asia's biggest capitals serve as a clear warning to America and all other countries: reopening risks reinfection.

Read in its entirety: China races to contain a second wave of coronavirus cases in Beijing

Do you think this will become increasingly problematic?

With the re-opening of the U.S., are we facing a second wave?

46 minutes ago, NormaSaline said:

We are learning all the time, and I certainly do not have all or even a small minority of the answers!

No one has the answers. However, some seem to think they're the covid gurus and everyone else is stupid. This virus looks like it's here to stay for awhile. Mask up, wash your hands, social distance, and stay safe.

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16 hours ago, juniper222 said:

To summarize, if a person is not exposed to enough of the antigen and therefore does not produce an adequate immune response, they will not have enough antibodies to give long term immunity.

The gold standard is one of the reasons that a vaccine takes so long to produce. First, they need to find where that threshold is to achieve full immunity.

You will notice that some vaccinations require more than one dose in order to be effective. Much more research is needed, and it's far too early to jump to any conclusions.

OK. Now I got you. The highlighted is why I don't think herd immunity will work. Apparently, no one has immunity yet. Even in the cases where they're doing transfusions from those who improved to those who are actively infected, it's minimally working. I think it will be a long time because the science community keeps finding out new information all the time, some of it conflicting.

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Specializes in oncology.
19 hours ago, anewmanx said:

This is why courses in actual Microbiology, not the watered down health professions version, and basic immunology should be mandatory for all nursing programs.

I don't think we all need to become microbiologists/physiologists to understand the immune system and viral infection. Every discipline feels their content is the most important for a nursing student to learn and I appreciate their enthusiasm for their discipline. But please, a credit load of 60 for ASN or 120 credits for BSN has already been surpassed in most nursing programs. These translate to more time and money for basic nursing education. I believe students and nurses are lifelong learners and will initiate efforts to stay current.Discussions here are a great example. Just like the physicians who went to medical school eons ago and do not deal with infectious disease, have self-educated with journal articles and other ways of acquiring or revisiting knowledge.

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9 hours ago, londonflo said:

I don't think we all need to become microbiologists/physiologists to understand the immune system and viral infection. Every discipline feels their content is the most important for a nursing student to learn and I appreciate their enthusiasm for their discipline. But please, a credit load of 60 for ASN or 120 credits for BSN has already been surpassed in most nursing programs. These translate to more time and money for basic nursing education. I believe students and nurses are lifelong learners and will initiate efforts to stay current.Discussions here are a great example. Just like the physicians who went to medical school eons ago and do not deal with infectious disease, have self-educated with journal articles and other ways of acquiring or revisiting knowledge.

I don’t see an extra 1500-2000 pages as a hill too steep to climb for the payoff. Let’s split hairs and say it should be required at the DNP/NP level.

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Specializes in Critical care, tele, Medical-Surgical.

When I went to LVN school we were taught A&P, pharmacology, and other sciences mostly with memorization.

When still an LVN I was allowed to attend university critical care classes. Most students were in a masters program for nurses wanting to become a Clinical Nurse Specialist (CNS) for Critical Care. I realized that without the sciences I couldn't understand as I wanted to.

I began taking prerequisites for the RN program at the same university. Many of my fellow students were medical students. That was FUN for an experienced LVN to finally understand what I'd been doing (Supervised by an RN) Two semesters of Microbiology with lab were among the classes. I also truly enjoyed physiology. Instead of a medical school drop out we had a PhD professor who loved to teach.

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On 6/17/2020 at 10:26 AM, A Hit With The Ladies said:

It's time to let Coronavirus take its course and rip this band-aid off quickly, get it over with. No to permanent quarantines, no to economic depression, no to waiting forever for some vaccine that many never materialize. Time to move on from this Corona thing. We don't flip our lids over the thousands who die from the flu. Corona is just like that.

Well, you got your bandaid ripped off. How's that working for Houston? Are you working on a Covid unit yet? Are surgical folks on the PPP yet because non-essential surgery has shut down? I guess as a psych person, you will never have to worry about getting sick at work.

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Specializes in Psych.

It's a shame Gov. Abbott shut down non-elective surgeries. He should have held firm on this. Best thing to do is to allocate a certain percentage of beds at each hospital for COVID patients, and tell any further admits, "Sorry, we are full, but there's a makeshift field hospital at a stadium in our city you can go to".

Once some of these patients with a bad cough see the amenities at the stadium, they may just decide they can recover at home and drive home.

We'll get through this Corona stuff. It's time to flush it out of our system for once and for all. It'll spike for a few weeks and then we'll have herd immunity for once and for all. Then nobody is going to want to utter a word about the Corona any longer because it's time to move on from the endless Corona soap opera.

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4 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

Best thing to do is to allocate a certain percentage of beds at each hospital for COVID patients, and tell any further admits, "Sorry, we are full, but there's a makeshift field hospital at a stadium in our city you can go to".

Once some of these patients with a bad cough see the amenities at the stadium, they may just decide they can recover at home and drive home.

Is this some kind of joke? Is this how you counsel your psych patients? "If you commit suicide your won't have to be in this icky hospital anymore". Your thought processes are scary.

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7 minutes ago, londonflo said:

Is this some kind of joke? Is this how you counsel your psych patients? "If you commit suicide your won't have to be in this icky hospital anymore". Your thought processes are scary.

It seems rational to me; cold, but rational.

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5 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:

"Sorry, we are full, but there's a makeshift field hospital at a stadium in our city you can go to"

26 minutes ago, anewmanx said:

It seems rational to me; cold, but rational.

If this is what to expect in the attitudes and attributes of future generation of nurses/nurse practitioners, I am glad I am retired but alarmed because I am a current consumer of health care.

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3 minutes ago, londonflo said:

If this is what to expect in the attitudes and attributes of future generation of nurses/nurse practitioners, I am glad I am retired but alarmed because I am a current consumer of health care.

In deference to my apparent apathy I have complex ptsd and am a sexual assault survivor, worked in high security prisons, and was in the military. Just because I appear cold does not mean that I do not feel compassion for others who are hurting, or strive in life to help ease the suffering of others. Quite the opposite really. That doesn’t change that his point made sense rationally. Just as it made sense as a combat medic that we were trained to walk by those screaming for help if we knew there was no chance of survival and to focus our efforts on those who could survive. Cold rationality has its place in life. Idealism doesn’t save lives. Rationality saves lives.

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2 hours ago, damiorifice said:

Just as it made sense as a combat medic that we were trained to walk by those screaming for help if we knew there was no chance of survival and to focus our efforts on those who could survive.

We have enough beds and health care providers to care for all and the chance for survival is great. IMO his comment is not rational. All the efforts of the caring American people have been to flatten the curve as evidenced by the numbers of incidence and death decreasing until individuals began to flaunt the guidelines.

I believe all individuals have inherent worth. The development of enough health care facilities and the education of caregivers in our country means that we do not need to "walk buy those screaming for help". Are we setting up a system where more are going to be affected by ptsd through denial of the care they need delivered in a humanistic way? May be I am taking your comments too literally but that is the way I read them.

I did not call you "cold". That was your label. I truly am sorry that your are grappling with a past trauma. Your sensitivity to ones who also suffer will be an asset to those you care for in the future. (On a side note, I have tried to get an admission assessment question added to the admission process to identify and assist or at least have early recognition of the effects of ptsd on additional health problems.)

If you read back you will find that "A hit with the ladies" shows no respect for the value of any and all human beings. He speaks with rancor about the pandemic interfering with his needs and wants. I have little regard for his values and find him repulsive although I would provide a hospital bed and care to him if he should find himself sick.

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