allnurses mentioned in AJN and it ain't flattering - page 5

There was a mention of the lethal injection discussion in AJN. It was kind of an embarrassment; they discussed a posting where a few individuals expressed a great desire to take part in lethal... Read More

  1. by   ChrisA
    Quote from ktwlpn
    So it is permissible for our comments to be quoted without our permission?
    It's a public forum, so yes, generally. If this encourages people to be more responsible with what they write, then I think that's probably commendable.

    And, in another note, whether a nurse believes in the death penalty or not, it's still a violation of certain nursing codes of ethics. Is it not?
  2. by   Spidey's mom
    Quote from ktwlpn
    So it is permissible for our comments to be quoted without our permission?
    I was wondering this too . . sort of a gray area . . . . this is a public BB but at the same time when you are quoting someone in an article or book seems like you should at least contact the person.

    Sometimes it does freak me out a little to see how many "guests" are here . . .sometimes hundreds.

    We can email threads to friends too by the way . . . there is an option available.

    steph
  3. by   LPN1974
    Quote from ktwlpn
    So it is permissible for our comments to be quoted without our permission?
    I would think so, if you posted it here in a public forum.
    {But that's just MY opinion.}
    Best thing is if a person had rather not be quoted, is to not say it.
    They do have a "private message" feature here on this board.

    Never know what :uhoh21: are watching/reading/spying.
  4. by   begalli
    Quote from ktwlpn
    So it is permissible for our comments to be quoted without our permission?
    I would think that since this is a privately owned message board, Brian, the Administrator, would have to state somewhere in the Terms of Service (TOS) of this board that the posts are covered under copyright laws. Where the posts of individuals are actually copyrighted by the Administrators.

    I don't think he can do that because the views and opinions of those who post here are not necessarily a reflection of the views and opinions of the message board administrators.

    In the TOS that we all agree to when we sign up it says:

    Please remember that we do not actively monitor the contents of posted messages and are not responsible for any messages posted. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of this BB or any entity associated with this BB.

    You are part of a BB whose opinions are widely read by men and women considering nursing, nursing assistants, students and Nurses: RN's and LPN/LVN's from across the US and through out the world especially Australia, Canada, UK, and others. This website is one of the most highly respected within the nursing community and is listed as a resource in nursing publications and at other nursing related websites. We didn't get to that status without the professional and courteous contributions of our membership.

    In short, the TOS says that while we must abide by the rules of this privately owned website, post your views and opinions at your own risk....the world is watching.

    And, I think, this is the way a message board should be.

    In my limited understanding of the laws of the internet, the AJN properly sourced this website. They may not have used very good judgement in the way they presented the material, but they did not do anything wrong, legally.
  5. by   KRVRN
    I've always thought of AJN as a very respectable publication. To quote a joke into a serious journal article is showing poor form. It's my opinion that the quote was intended to be dry humor... The author probably wanted something catchy to end the article with. Lame, AJN. Lame.
    Last edit by KRVRN on Mar 4, '05 : Reason: typo
  6. by   hoolahan
    Quote from SmilingBluEyes
    Ohh good grief, they took it WAY out of context IF they chose to use it to make a point. It is obvious NONE of the nurses there are FOR administering lethal injections, and yes, a few "off color" jokes were told. but the thread was closed very promptly (and it appears, appropriately, by the moderator). I can't see why they took this ONE thread and built an ARTICLE on that????
    I agree Deb, blown totally out of proportion! I am not embarrased in any way by the mention. I don't think it was a poor reflection on allnurses.com or anyone who posts here. This IS America, we have freedom of speech, naturally not all the nurses posting here will be against the death penalty.
  7. by   geekgolightly
    Quote from KRVRN
    I've always thought of AJN as a very respectable publication. To quote a joke into a serious journal article is showing poor form. It's my opinion that the quote was intended to be dry humor... The author probably wanted something catchy to end the article with. Lame, AJN. Lame.
    Which is why many large message boards who might be mentioned or quoted usually have a media statement including an email address to direct queries about quoting posts. This avoids misreading/misinterpreting of posts and ensures no bad press for the site.
  8. by   Blackcat99
    Yes What ever happened to freedom of speech??? Anyway, I think AJN is very jealous of allnurses.com because we get so many new members here everyday. I think the AJN magazine is dull and boring. I sent them a message and told them to stop hassling me to buy their crummy magazine. How dare they criticize allnurses.com!!! :angryfire :angryfire :angryfire
  9. by   ChrisA
    This does raise a point or two:

    Moderators: I looked through the ToS and didn't see anything that talked specifically about quoting or use of posted content by media. Is there one? Should there be one?

    Nurses: personal opinions about the death penalty aside (and *please* do leave them aside for now) if there's a Code of Ethics that says that nurses shouldn't participate in such things, then would you a) subscribe to that Code or b) willfully ignore it?
  10. by   fergus51
    As far as I know, the ANA code of ethics is not a required document for nurses to follow since we are not required to be members of ANA (and in fact the vast majority of nurses are not members). Don't state BONs have the role of determining what nurses should and should not do?

    I'm against the death penalty, but if nurses have been participating in it for years without reprisal, that would seem to indicate that state BONs do not have a problem with it. The ANA is something I really consider irrelevant in general. I just don't see how they affect me or my practice.
  11. by   mercyteapot
    Quote from ChrisA
    This does raise a point or two:

    Moderators: I looked through the ToS and didn't see anything that talked specifically about quoting or use of posted content by media. Is there one? Should there be one?

    Nurses: personal opinions about the death penalty aside (and *please* do leave them aside for now) if there's a Code of Ethics that says that nurses shouldn't participate in such things, then would you a) subscribe to that Code or b) willfully ignore it?
    If I swore an oath to follow a code of ethics, I would certainly do so. The bigger question is whether we are bound to follow a code of ethics if we haven't vowed to do so in the first place, isn't it?
  12. by   ChrisA
    Quote from mercyteapot
    If I swore an oath to follow a code of ethics, I would certainly do so. The bigger question is whether we are bound to follow a code of ethics if we haven't vowed to do so in the first place, isn't it?
    I suppose so. In general, it seems odd to me that there isn't a more powerful national representative body in nursing. It's exactly the sort of field that needs it. Oh well, another thing for me to learn.
  13. by   UM Review RN
    Quote from ChrisA
    Nurses: personal opinions about the death penalty aside (and *please* do leave them aside for now) if there's a Code of Ethics that says that nurses shouldn't participate in such things, then would you a) subscribe to that Code or b) willfully ignore it?
    I couldn't take a job involving killing someone, however heinous their crime may have been.

    So as long as the Code supported my personal beliefs, I could do it.

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