Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[Guest219794]

On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

We are against science, in fact, we trust science whole heartedly.

Great.

 

On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials.

Awesome.

On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

 So when you guys say "oh don't go to the doctor then, don't go to the hospital if you don't believe in science" you point is mute.

What did your doctor advise when you discussed risk/benefits of taking the vaccine?

 

On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

you point is mute

As packed full of misinformation as your post is, my true objection is to the word "mute"  Points are not mute- they are moot.

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

New report out on reanalysis of ivermectin study. Short answer: when they do the study properly, the effects disappear. Tried to cop6 here but keep getting error messages. Find it for free on MedPage. 

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

1 minute ago, Hannahbanana said:

New report out on reanalysis of ivermectin study. Short answer: when they do the study properly, the effects disappear. Tried to cop6 here but keep getting error messages. Find it for free on MedPage. 

But somehow, the conspiracy theorists will never see that article because they don't get their news over medical websites.  I was going to post an earlier article about what a failure Ivermectin has been in Brazil where it is sold like Tylenol but it was from CBS and I knew it would just be labled MSM. Many people developed kidney complications from it's casual use.

[NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN]

5 hours ago, Hannahbanana said:

New report out on reanalysis of ivermectin study. Short answer: when they do the study properly, the effects disappear. Tried to cop6 here but keep getting error messages. Find it for free on MedPage. 

 

MedPage Today,   October 29, 2021

In Re-Analysis, Ivermectin Benefits Disappeared as Trial Quality Increased

— When studies with a moderate or greater risk of bias were removed, survival benefit vanished.

Quote

...Hill and his co-authors on the re-analysis -- one who worked on the initial meta-analysis, and one who did not -- published their findings on Research Square, the preprint server that also published the study that was ultimately found to be fraudulent and was retracted, though it had carried much of the benefit seen in the initial meta-analysis....

...During the individual trial evaluations, they looked at the effectiveness of the randomization process by comparing baseline characteristics across treatment arms, checked randomization dates to ensure participants entered in a similar time frame, and checked to see if recruitment into treatment arms was balanced.

They also analyzed patient-level data when they were available, to screen for things like duplicate participants and unexpected homogeneity or heterogeneity.

Ultimately, their findings that the benefits of ivermectin diminished as trial quality increased suggested that "existing and widely used risk of bias assessment tools are not enough," they noted in their paper....

 

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

New report out on reanalysis of ivermectin study. Short answer: when they do the study properly, the effects disappear. 
 

thank you! 

[Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN]

a little more: 
 

"I've been working in this field for 30 years and I have not seen anything like this," Hill noted. "I've never seen people make data up. People dying before the study even started. Databases duplicated and cut and pasted."

The retracted study by Elgazzar et al. was reported to have included data that showed a third of the people who died from COVID-19 were already dead when trial recruitment began, and some appeared to have been hospitalized before they started -- raising questions about the study's prospective randomized nature.

Hill said during the process of re-analysis, he also found a trial from Lebanon in which the same 11 patients had been "cut and pasted" repeatedly in the database.

"It was quite shocking, really," he said.”

[guest1163268]

America leads these countries in the number of deaths BRAZIL, INDIA, RUSSIA, MEXICO!

The highest in the world! 

I capitalized the letters in case the antivaxxers didn't see it! 

Look at those countries and compare them to America re status, lifestyle, world placement etc. 

We are worse off than INDIA, RUSSIA, MEXICO AND BRAZIL! 

I'm sorry, are we really an educated, industrialized country? How about incarceration, murder or Insurrectionists? How many burger Kings or McDonald's? 

Taking animal medicines, ingesting bleach, lizard people, Jewish lasers, pizza shop pedophiles? 

A country of morons! 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

On 11/1/2021 at 9:16 PM, guest1163268 said:

America leads these countries in the number of deaths BRAZIL, INDIA, RUSSIA, MEXICO!

The highest in the world! 

I capitalized the letters in case the antivaxxers didn't see it! 

Look at those countries and compare them to America re status, lifestyle, world placement etc. 

We are worse off than INDIA, RUSSIA, MEXICO AND BRAZIL! 

I'm sorry, are we really an educated, industrialized country? How about incarceration, murder or Insurrectionists? How many burger Kings or McDonald's? 

Taking animal medicines, ingesting bleach, lizard people, Jewish lasers, pizza shop pedophiles? 

A country of morons! 

After seeing people in my city yesterday waiting outside for JFK Jr to appear so that he could become Vice President to a reinstated President Trump, nothing would surprise me. The stupidity, the gullibility, etc. should be mind blowing, but sadly, it's just another day in the US.

In case you are wondering, he didn't show. Rumor had it that he would instead come onstage during the Rolling Stones concert. Also didn't happen. I'm sure the goalposts have been moved and his re-entry to society will begin shortly.

[toomuchbaloney]

It's the digital era of conmen, grifters and charlatans.  There's an entire media industry that profits from misinformation and propaganda; from radio to the dark Web there's a fool born every second. 

[PMFB-RN, RN]

1 hour ago, Horseshoe said:

After seeing people in my city yesterday waiting outside for JFK Jr to appear so that he could become Vice President to a reinstated President Trump, nothing would surprise me. The stupidity, the gullibility, etc. should be mind blowing, but sadly, it's just another day in the US.

In case you are wondering, he didn't show. Rumor had it that he would instead come onstage during the Rolling Stones concert. Also didn't happen. I'm sure the goalposts have been moved and his re-entry to society will begin shortly.

I think all of those people should have been rounded up for intensive psychotherapy.  They are obviously suffering from a severe form of mental illness and dangerous. 

[toomuchbaloney]

6 minutes ago, PMFB-RN said:

I think all of those people should have been rounded up for intensive psychotherapy.  They are obviously suffering from a severe form of mental illness and dangerous. 

Indeed. Harmless delusion is one thing but some of these folk are radicalized and pose a violent and unstable threat to our republic. 

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

Can you imagine taking hours out of your day to drive to Dallas to witness such a thing? And is there any trace of discomfort at all when it begins to dawn on them that he's probably not coming? No thought whatsoever that someone lied to them?