Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

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Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

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50 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Wrong. Vaccinating is a better option for at -risk populations. 

Wrong.

Vaccination with the safe and effective vaccines is a better option for society and the country as a whole.  

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2107692118

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22 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Wrong.

Vaccination with the safe and effective vaccines is a better option for society and the country as a whole.  

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/21/e2107692118

Wrong. Not for those with low risk, given the real risks of the vaccine, and those with previous infection:

"Prior infection in patients with COVID-19 was highly protective against reinfection and symptomatic disease. This protection increased over time, suggesting that viral shedding or ongoing immune response may persist beyond 90 days and may not represent true reinfection. As vaccine supply is limited, patients with known history of COVID-19 could delay early vaccination [or maybe those who recover and remain in the low risk category could rely on their robust post infection immunity alone] to allow for the most vulnerable to access the vaccine and slow transmission."

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33718968/

Brackets added by me.

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13 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

As vaccine supply is limited, patients with known history of COVID-19 could delay early vaccination...

Vaccine supply is not limited in the USA. There is no reason to delay vaccination. 

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On 10/25/2021 at 12:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

The whole point the OP is making is there is no science. What science? The vaccine hasn't even been out a year yet. People who say "don't go to the doctor or take medication." That just shows how closed minded you guys are and how you do not understand at all. We are against science, in fact, we trust science whole heartedly. We actually want to see more science, more studies, before we put it in our system. And we are definitely not the gullible ones, we aren't the one out here believing everything we see on the TV and taking an experimental vaccine thinking nothing bad will happen. We choose to wait and make sure nothing bad will happen. Moderna has already been pulled in 3 countries for guys under 30 for heart complication. What will happen in another 6 month? A year? 

   And you do realize this vaccine, the mRNA vaccine has been around for a while but never used? Do you know why? Because when they started the animal trials, the rats, every single rat died. Did they keep at it and finally have rats not die before they sent it to humans? Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials. So no, not all tried and true in multiple countries. 

   So when you guys say "oh don't go to the doctor then, don't go to the hospital if you don't believe in science" you point is mute. We do believe in science, now some don't of course, there are some true crazy folks out there, but for the nurses I've seen on allnurses at least, we all tend to hold out for the same reasons. We want more data. We trust our bodies after contracting covid. 

Eh? The medication that almost killed me has been proven effective for many years for millions of women. Should I start telling them not to take it because it got me good?

I used to be liked most people who think that years matter. Nope. Some people are outliers. Medications are one size fits all, not individually. I understand this. I can't afford people to make drugs specifically designed for me. Sbit, I even struggle to buy books. I'm sure you have learned this in your life.

What's your interventions to this pandemic? What do you suggest should people do? 

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On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

The whole point the OP is making is there is no science. What science? The vaccine hasn't even been out a year yet. People who say "don't go to the doctor or take medication." That just shows how closed minded you guys are and how you do not understand at all. We are against science, in fact, we trust science whole heartedly. We actually want to see more science, more studies, before we put it in our system. And we are definitely not the gullible ones, we aren't the one out here believing everything we see on the TV and taking an experimental vaccine thinking nothing bad will happen. We choose to wait and make sure nothing bad will happen. Moderna has already been pulled in 3 countries for guys under 30 for heart complication. What will happen in another 6 month? A year? 

   And you do realize this vaccine, the mRNA vaccine has been around for a while but never used? Do you know why? Because when they started the animal trials, the rats, every single rat died. Did they keep at it and finally have rats not die before they sent it to humans? Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials. So no, not all tried and true in multiple countries. 

   So when you guys say "oh don't go to the doctor then, don't go to the hospital if you don't believe in science" you point is mute. We do believe in science, now some don't of course, there are some true crazy folks out there, but for the nurses I've seen on allnurses at least, we all tend to hold out for the same reasons. We want more data. We trust our bodies after contracting covid. 

Wow.  Just wow.  You post tripe like this without a single citation!  Please just point us to some scientific publications regarding this crap you post.  There is a new article in The Lancet this week about limited immunity from "natural" infection and how limited it really is.  Unvaxxed people can expect to be reinfected with 5 to 13 months post infection.  Do I want nurses like this caring for children too young to be vaccinated or for anyone else?  It's scary that you are allowed to work at all.

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On 10/25/2021 at 2:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

   And you do realize this vaccine, the mRNA vaccine has been around for a while but never used? Do you know why? Because when they started the animal trials, the rats, every single rat died. Did they keep at it and finally have rats not die before they sent it to humans? Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials. So no, not all tried and true in multiple countries.   

Citation please.

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Don’t hold your breath on that, @Horseshoe, LOL. Still chuckling. 
 

“Every single rat died.”

ROTFLMAOMCOOMN!

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On 10/25/2021 at 3:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

   And you do realize this vaccine, the mRNA vaccine has been around for a while but never used? Do you know why? Because when they started the animal trials, the rats, every single rat died. Did they keep at it and finally have rats not die before they sent it to humans? Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials. So no, not all tried and true in multiple countries.

Honestly, you have to be better than this. This story has been a viral social media conspiracy theory for a year now, it’s propagated by troll farms, and frankly doesn’t pass a basic common sense test let alone any degree of research into it. Frankly, the vast majority of lay people with a functional intelligence wouldn’t believe this one, so a nurse believing it a propagating it is ridiculous.

https://fullfact.org/online/covid-vaccine-animal-testing/

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-covid-vaccine-animal-idUSL2N2NJ1IK

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From the Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, today: 

Laboratory-Confirmed COVID-19 Among Adults Hospitalized with COVID-19–Like Illness with Infection-Induced or mRNA Vaccine-Induced SARS-CoV-2 Immunity — Nine States, January–September 2021 | MMWR (CDC.gov)

These findings suggest that among hospitalized adults with COVID-19–like illness whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, vaccine-induced immunity was more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.

Bolding mine. 

So to all those folks proclaiming immunity because they've already had COVID. Um, maybe not. 

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On 10/25/2021 at 2:18 AM, LisaNICUrn said:

  And you do realize this vaccine, the mRNA vaccine has been around for a while but never used? Do you know why? Because when they started the animal trials, the rats, every single rat died. Did they keep at it and finally have rats not die before they sent it to humans? Nope. They went from 100% dead rats to human trials. 

Nope. The technology at the time was too expensive and unreliable to attract sufficient funding. Also, it had been tested on humans, for several different potential uses.

The rats you speak of may be the rats with genetic metabolic disorders used for clinical trials, which died because of the ineffectiveness of the mRNA treatment or more specifically, the inefficiency of the method of delivery. 

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On 10/29/2021 at 9:20 AM, Hannahbanana said:

Don’t hold your breath on that, @Horseshoe, LOL. Still chuckling. 
 

“Every single rat died.”

ROTFLMAOMCOOMN!

Yes, I know the poster was lying. Just wanted to see if they would post their source (which obviously would be easy to debunk) or double down.

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Everyone who can be persuaded to be vaccinated by data, evidence, critical thinking, and plain old common sence has already been vaccinated. 

    Except for the tiny handful of people with legitimate medical contraindication those who are still, at this very late date,  refusing the vaccine can't be swayed. 

     I won't try anymore. Instead I'm concentrating my (flagging) energy on taking note of who the vax refusers are so I can avoid purchasing thier goods or services,  and to vote and campaign aginst any who run for public office from local school board to president.

    I'll do whatever is in my power to prevent anti vaxxers from holding any positions of responsibility from teaching my kids to cutting my hair to public office. 

    We have been bearing the brunt of the pandemic and I'm no longer willing to accommodate the anti vaxxers.  I'm no longer willing to tolerate them depriving us of our freedom and body autonomy. 

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