Valid Reasons To Not Get Vaccinated

[jive turkey]

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence-based sources to share with everyone so we can engage in a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others have to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2:

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination — Kentucky, May–June 2021

[toomuchbaloney]

On 8/14/2021 at 8:39 PM, jive turkey said:

Whether you're in support of the COVID vaccine, against it,  or on the fence please use this particular thread to cite credible, evidence based sources to share with everyone so we can engage an a discussion that revolves around LEARNING.  

I'll start:

The primary concerns I've shared with others has to do with how effective the vaccine is for those who have already been infected.  I've reviewed studies and reports in that regard.  There are  medical professionals I've listened to that, in my personal opinion,  don't offer a definitive answer. 

Here are some links to 2 different, I'll start with just 2

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

Cleveland Clinic Statement on Previous COVID-19 Infection Research

From the MMWR that you linked:

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This report details the findings of a case-control evaluation of the association between vaccination and SARS-CoV-2 reinfection in Kentucky during May–June 2021 among persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 in 2020. Kentucky residents who were not vaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated (odds ratio [OR] = 2.34; 95% confidence interval [CI] = 1.58–3.47). These findings suggest that among persons with previous SARS-CoV-2 infection, full vaccination provides additional protection against reinfection. To reduce their risk of infection, all eligible persons should be offered vaccination, even if they have been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2.*

And from the Cleveland Clinic link you provided:

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This is still a new virus, and more research is needed. It is important to keep in mind that this study was conducted in a population that was younger and healthier than the general population. In addition, we do not know how long the immune system will protect itself against re-infection after COVID-19. It is safe to receive the COVID-19 vaccine even if you have previously tested positive, and we recommend all those who are eligible receive it.”

Your own citations provide the definitive answer that the vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate. 

[macawake, MSN]

On 8/14/2021 at 9:11 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

Your own citations provide the definitive answer that the vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate. 

I was just reading the links and about to post, but you beat me to it ?

Yes, the recommendation is quite clear.

OP, please note that that the CDC MMWR showed that the residents with previous infections who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared to the fully vaccinated. This clearly shows that vaccination is beneficial, even for individuals with a previous Covid infection, and this is why it is recommended that all eligible persons get vaccinated. 

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[jive turkey]

11 minutes ago, allnurses Admin Team said:

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Thank you! Perhaps everyone will stop being abrasive to make their point!

[amoLucia]

Ditto!

[jive turkey]

Just to clarify:

My personal position is that anyone who has never been infected or are high risk,  consult their provider to determine if the vaccine is appropriate for them.  

For those who have been infected and/or are high risk, same. 

Blanket statements and recommendations aside articles such as those are reason enough for me to ask questions and have concern for those who have natural immunity without having a hardline position.

I'm not on a crusade  to tell people they should or should not get it. 

 Additional sources of information are welcome. 

[toomuchbaloney]

Four reasons for COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy among health care workers, and ways to counter them

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HCWs bridge the gap between health care policymakers and patients and have a disproportionate influence on patients’ vaccine decisions. Vaccination rates among HCWs correlate positively with their willingness to recommend COVID-19 vaccination to their patients.3,7

Delays in COVID-19 vaccination among HCWs and the general population further prevent herd immunity and will result in increased COVID-19-related illness and deaths, creating a surge in the utilization of already strained health care resources.15

The vaccines are safe and effective. 

[toomuchbaloney]

3 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

Just to clarify:

My personal position is that anyone who has never been infected or are high risk,  consult their provider to determine if the vaccine is appropriate for them.  

For those who have been infected and/or are high risk, same. 

Blanket statements and recommendations aside articles such as those are reason enough for me to ask questions and have concern for those who have natural immunity without having a hardline position.

I'm not on a crusade  to tell people they should or should not get it. 

 Additional sources of information are welcome. 

What evidence or data causes you concern? It is safe for people who have been infected with covid to receive the vaccines and their immune response is improved because of it. 

[jive turkey]

6 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What evidence or data causes you concern? It is safe for people who have been infected with covid to receive the vaccines and their immune response is improved because of it. 

It's safe as far as we know.  The future can't be predicted.  No medication is without its risk.  The data supports the risk is minimum thus far I give it that.  If I personally had to choose between the risk of the vaccine or the risk of a first time COVID infection,  I'd favor taking the vaccine.  

As for me, the question is less about how safe it is and more about justifying taking a vaccine after an infection considering data from different sources offer contrary results or information that is inconclusive, albeit they all conclude it is safe and recommended.  

I've only shared 2 links so far,  I'll share more after others have had a chance to contribute. 

[toomuchbaloney]

20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

It's safe as far as we know.  The future can't be predicted.  No medication is without its risk.  The data supports the risk is minimum thus far I give it that.  If I personally had to choose between the risk of the vaccine or the risk of a first time COVID infection,  I'd favor taking the vaccine.  

As for me, the question is less about how safe it is and more about justifying taking a vaccine after an infection considering data from different sources offer contrary results or information that is inconclusive, albeit they all conclude it is safe and recommended.  

I've only shared 2 links so far,  I'll share more after others have had a chance to contribute. 

Do I understand correctly that you agree that the science and data demonstrate that the vaccines are safe and effective, prevent serious illness, hospitalization or death from covid in a very high percentage of recipients, and are for those who have previously had covid infection the vaccines boost immune response to viral exposure? You agree that those with previous infection who are not vaccinated have an increased risk of re-infection when compared to vaccinated individuals? 

Your comment suggests that you are not vaccinating because you feel anxiety about future, unanticipated side effects of the vaccination. Do you think that anxiety about an unlikely possibility of some bad thing happening is a valid reason to avoid vaccination while our country suffers through a pandemic?

[jive turkey]

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Do I understand correctly that you agree that the science and data demonstrate that the vaccines are safe and effective, prevent serious illness, hospitalization or death from covid in a very high percentage of recipients, and are for those who have previously had covid infection the vaccines boost immune response to viral exposure? You agree that those with previous infection who are not vaccinated have an increased risk of re-infection when compared to vaccinated individuals? 

Your comment suggests that you are not vaccinating because you feel anxiety about future, unanticipated side effects of the vaccination. Do you think that anxiety about an unlikely possibility of some bad thing happening is a valid reason to avoid vaccination while our country suffers through a pandemic?

Your first question regarding my perspective on safety was addressed in a previous post.  At no time did I argue about hospitalization rates and don't feel compelled to. Admission rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated and not previously infected this far are clear.  

My comment suggests none of what you asked. It says my concern is "more about justifying taking a vaccine after an infection considering data from different sources offer contrary results or information that is inconclusive". 

Is your position that a previously infected person take the vaccine anyway just in case?