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Does the shot mess with your DNA?

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The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

Rose_Queen, BSN, MSN, RN

Specializes in OR, education. Has 16 years experience.

the mRNA does not enter the nucleus of the cell, therefore it cannot change DNA.

https://www.CDC.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html

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After the piece of the spike protein is made, the cell breaks down the mRNA strand and disposes of them using enzymes in the cell. It is important to note that the mRNA strand never enters the cell’s nucleus or affects genetic material. This information helps counter misinformation about how mRNA vaccines alter or modify someone’s genetic makeup.

 

Having a decent understanding of cellular biology really helps understand this. One thing to study or to read up on is the Chinese researcher who went to jail for editing embryos... https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-00673-1 and read this comparing two types of cellular genetic modifications.

If you dig a little into this you come across and idea of the cells having some with mutations and some without resulting in more problems (mosaic). This is due to the timing of the edit in early embryology.

Assuming the Government and the manufacturers and a whole lot of other people lied to us, the only way this could actually cause localized changes to cells or specifically 1 type of cells would be if they had a reverse transcriptase with the vaccine. Otherwise... the RNA does nothing to your genetic code.  

This is a great link to explain some of what you actually can do with genetic editing

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK447276/

macawake, MSN

Has 13 years experience.

17 hours ago, Floor_Nurse said:

Does the vaccine mess with your DNA? 
The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

I’m far too tired to write a long answer, but the short answer is NO, mRNA vaccines do NOT alter or interact with the cell nucleus. It will NOT change  your, my or anyone else’s DNA. So we DO indeed know that our DNA doesn’t get permanently, or even temporarily, changed. 

As a nurse I’m sure you are aware that a virus invades and hijacks the machinery of the host’s cells in order to replicate (the host would be you, I or anyone else who gets infected by a virus like for example SARS-CoV-2). 

To me that’s a lot more scary than a vaccine. 

Here are some resources to read more about what happens when you get infected by a virus and how they get hard to work INSIDE of your cells...

https://medicine.yale.edu/coved/modules/virus/hijacking/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK8181/

https://www.immunology.org/public-information/bitesized-immunology/pathogens-and-disease/virus-replication

and one final link about genetic engineering.. 

https://allianceforscience.cornell.edu/blog/2020/12/yes-some-covid-vaccines-use-genetic-engineering-get-over-it/

I still can’t believe some nurses believe this... Yikes. The vaccine DOES NOT go into any of your cells, it’s there to create an immune response for your own cells so that they can detect the virus in future infections via the spike proteins the virus presents. Spike proteins are part of the virus that attach to the cells, the virus capsule itself is what has the “DNA” (instructions) which actually goes into the cell via “injection” to hijack and take over the to replicate and infect. 

Whether or not the vaccine mRNA enters your cells is irrelevant. The fact that these types of vaccines have never publicly been tested on humans is a concern that many of us have with the long term unknowns of this. People have a right to be skeptical especially when it concerns one's health. Because, you know, we are in healthcare. 

1 minute ago, Jack Peace said:

Whether or not the vaccine mRNA enters your cells is irrelevant. The fact that these types of vaccines have never publicly been tested on humans is a concern that many of us have with the long term unknowns of this. People have a right to be skeptical especially when it concerns one's health. Because, you know, we are in healthcare. 

Sigh.  Yes, it has been tested.  I’m flabbergasted every time I come to this site anymore.  I thought we all took Microbiology for our degrees.  Do we actually have nurses with a degree in science not understanding DNA, RNA, and how immune systems and vaccines work?

They did testing.  One of the bigger testing happening in my own state.  The reason this vaccine came to market sooner than most was when production was allowed to begin. That was the difference.  Stop acting like this is a mysterious drug that just randomly showed up.  Thousands of people volunteered to be test subjects.  

Shelby91

Specializes in med surg.

Unfortunately, like many medications produced in the past, adverse long term effects are not discovered until years later. There's no way to know for sure that this vaccine or any other new drug is safe in the long run until we see the outcome in the future. Hopefully this will be the miracle cure that'll stop the pandemic; as for myself, I'm going to go with my gut instinct and use the watch and see approach. With that said, I'd like to also add that I don't pass judgement on people that decide to get it or not, it truly is a personal choice.

It’s not really a personal choice when you’re a healthcare worker in my opinion. It’s not just about you, it’s about the community you work with. I’ve had both doses and absolutely no symptoms except a light fever and some fatigue that same day (normal, it’s an immune response- body is doing its job). Every medicine you take has the possibility to cause reaction, it’s just how probability works.  I guess I can say that I’m grateful in hindsight that I had a virology researcher as my Microbiology teacher, no matter how difficult she made the class, she broke everything down; it’s so relevant today and helped me personally tell shady info from real info. The reason it took so little time is because governments and companies cut the red tape that usually causes so much time in between  vaccine research, development, and release. Literally 1000s of researchers and scientists teamed up around the world and used shared platforms to share information and work together; I don’t think some of you realize how historic this is. Also, 1000s of human participants courageously volunteered as testing subjects. I’m not judging anyone but a simple Google search (obviously looking at legit articles) will produce this information for anyone. 

56 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:
56 minutes ago, Jack Peace said:

Yea 2 month testing that's it. No long term testing. Skipped animal trials also. 

http://www.physiciansforlife.org/bill-gates-father-head-of-planned-parenthood-inspired-his-abortion-population-control-views/

Citing conspiracy theory material are we now? Yikes...

Shelby91

Specializes in med surg.

It is a personal choice, point blank. The facility in which I'm employed has always given the option to get the annual flu shot, even before Covid hit; it offered staff the choice to get the injection or to wear a mask to protect the employee and the patients. Proper use of PPE on a unit suffices for the protection of the nurse and her patient; so for someone to throw shade on someone's choice to not inject a brand new chemical from a fairly new medical technology into their body is judgemental, no matter how passive aggressive the approach may be. As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects. There is truth in the old saying, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear". I'm not going to argue, but I'm also entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. As I previously stated, there is no way of knowing what the effects of a new drug will bring in the future, negative or positive, only time can reveal that.

2 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:

It is a personal choice, point blank. The facility in which I'm employed has always given the option to get the annual flu shot, even before Covid hit; it offered staff the choice to get the injection or to wear a mask to protect the employee and the patients. Proper use of PPE on a unit suffices for the protection of the nurse and her patient; so for someone to throw shade on someone's choice to not inject a brand new chemical from a fairly new medical technology into their body is judgemental, no matter how passive aggressive the approach may be. As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects. There is truth in the old saying, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear". I'm not going to argue, but I'm also entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. As I previously stated, there is no way of knowing what the effects of a new drug will bring in the future, negative or positive, only time can reveal that.

I suggest you take a new Microbiology class if you’re able to. The stuff you’re talking about is borderline conspiracy theory ideology and I would not be comfortable having you as a provider for myself personally, no shade just truth. Again, it seems to be only about you and you ignore my and others postings re: how research was conducted and actual FACTUAL information. This is not a new chemical LOL- it’s a spike protein from the virus itself. This type of scientific approach to disease and virology isn’t actually that new. It’s literally the same thing that would happen if you got infected by the virus- minus the actual virus capsule and DNA itself... which again, as was posted above, and would be a lot scarier.

Shelby91

Specializes in med surg.

Again, you have a right to your own opinion. It strikes me as odd that you seem to think that any of the pharmaceutical manufacturers use only one ingredient (the spike protein) in the creation of the vaccine. As I said, I genuinely hope that the vaccine proves to be a stop to the pandemic, and not produce any adverse effects in the future.

nursej22, MSN, RN

Specializes in med/surg,CV. Has 36 years experience.

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

It's not clear, @Hlopez90 that all commenting are health professionals.

Right? Most of these fervent anti-COVID vaxxers are brand new members.

Hmmm...

And with all the same talking points: brand-new, not tested, not tested on animals, my choice, DNA changing, injecting chemicals. No mention of fetal cells, yet. 

 

macawake, MSN

Has 13 years experience.

3 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

Yea 2 month testing that's it.

Since you posted a link to some population control Bill Gates tinfoil hat site I don’t think that logic and facts will sway you. So this reply isn’t for you. It’s for other readers who stumbled across your post on a nursing site and who now feel alarm because healthcare professionals display such poor judgment and scientific acumen. 

The two months testing claim is entirely misleading. The people who participated in the various Covid vaccines large phase 3 trials haven’t been ejected into a lunar orbit in some humongous spacecrafts, unavailable to researchers. The trial is ongoing and we now have much more than two months worth of safety and efficacy data available.

3 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

 Skipped animal trials also. 

That’s not true. I assume that you agree that mice and rhesus macaques are indeed animals? Please stop spreading disinformation. 


https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y

 

1 hour ago, Shelby91 said:

As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects.

Those filters must be kaput. Useless. The internet is unfortunately awash with a flood of cray-cray conspiracy theories. I wish they’d have the filters repaired.

And no, when we’re talking about the scientific method, what’s legit isn’t determined by what individuals subjectively consider is  ”legit” or not. Science doesn’t deal with ”alternative facts”. Alternative facts isn’t a thing. 

The internet is full of people who think that 5G is the source of Covid-19. Thinking that a virus can be transmitted directly over the electromagnetic spectrum is ignorance and stupidity squared x Planck’s constant. But that doesn’t prevent some folks from believing that it is ”legit”. 
 

And if anyone is thinking that I am an arrogant ***. Guilty as charged 😀

26 minutes ago, macawake said:

Since you posted a link to some population control Bill Gates tinfoil hat site I don’t think that logic and facts will sway you. So this reply isn’t for you. It’s for other readers who stumbled across your post on a nursing site and who now feel alarm because healthcare professionals display such poor judgment and scientific acumen. 

The two months testing claim is entirely misleading. The people who participated in the various Covid vaccines large phase 3 trials haven’t been ejected into a lunar orbit in some humongous spacecrafts, unavailable to researchers. The trial is ongoing and we now have much more than two months worth of safety and efficacy data available.

That’s not true. I assume that you agree that mice and rhesus macaques are indeed animals? Please stop spreading disinformation. 


https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-announce-data-preclinical-studies-mrna


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y

 

Those filters must be kaput. Useless. The internet is unfortunately awash with a flood of cray-cray conspiracy theories. I wish they’d have the filters repaired.

And no, when we’re talking about the scientific method, what’s legit isn’t determined by what individuals subjectively consider ”legit”. Science doesn’t deal with ”alternative facts”. Alternative facts isn’t a thing. 

The internet is full of people who think that 5G is the source of Covid-19. Thinking that a virus can be transmitted directly over the electromagnetic spectrum is ignorance and stupidity squared x Planck’s constant. But that doesn’t prevent some folks from believing that it is ”legit”. 
 

And if anyone is thinking that I am an arrogant ***. Guilty as charged 😀

THANK YOU!! 

35 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Right? Most of these fervent anti-COVID vaxxers are brand new members.

Hmmm...

And with all the same talking points: brand-new, not tested, not tested on animals, my choice, DNA changing, injecting chemicals. No mention of fetal cells, yet. 

 

Definitely suspicious right?!