The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it.
The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed.
Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.
It is a personal choice, point blank. The facility in which I'm employed has always given the option to get the annual flu shot, even before Covid hit; it offered staff the choice to get the injection or to wear a mask to protect the employee and the patients. Proper use of PPE on a unit suffices for the protection of the nurse and her patient; so for someone to throw shade on someone's choice to not inject a brand new chemical from a fairly new medical technology into their body is judgemental, no matter how passive aggressive the approach may be. As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects. There is truth in the old saying, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear". I'm not going to argue, but I'm also entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. As I previously stated, there is no way of knowing what the effects of a new drug will bring in the future, negative or positive, only time can reveal that.
It is a personal choice, point blank. The facility in which I'm employed has always given the option to get the annual flu shot, even before Covid hit; it offered staff the choice to get the injection or to wear a mask to protect the employee and the patients. Proper use of PPE on a unit suffices for the protection of the nurse and her patient; so for someone to throw shade on someone's choice to not inject a brand new chemical from a fairly new medical technology into their body is judgemental, no matter how passive aggressive the approach may be. As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects. There is truth in the old saying, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear". I'm not going to argue, but I'm also entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. As I previously stated, there is no way of knowing what the effects of a new drug will bring in the future, negative or positive, only time can reveal that.
I suggest you take a new Microbiology class if you’re able to. The stuff you’re talking about is borderline conspiracy theory ideology and I would not be comfortable having you as a provider for myself personally, no shade just truth. Again, it seems to be only about you and you ignore my and others postings re: how research was conducted and actual FACTUAL information. This is not a new chemical LOL- it’s a spike protein from the virus itself. This type of scientific approach to disease and virology isn’t actually that new. It’s literally the same thing that would happen if you got infected by the virus- minus the actual virus capsule and DNA itself... which again, as was posted above, and would be a lot scarier.
Again, you have a right to your own opinion. It strikes me as odd that you seem to think that any of the pharmaceutical manufacturers use only one ingredient (the spike protein) in the creation of the vaccine. As I said, I genuinely hope that the vaccine proves to be a stop to the pandemic, and not produce any adverse effects in the future.
It's not clear, @Hlopez90 that all commenting are health professionals.
Right? Most of these fervent anti-COVID vaxxers are brand new members.
Hmmm...
And with all the same talking points: brand-new, not tested, not tested on animals, my choice, DNA changing, injecting chemicals. No mention of fetal cells, yet.
Since you posted a link to some population control Bill Gates tinfoil hat site I don’t think that logic and facts will sway you. So this reply isn’t for you. It’s for other readers who stumbled across your post on a nursing site and who now feel alarm because healthcare professionals display such poor judgment and scientific acumen.
The two months testing claim is entirely misleading. The people who participated in the various Covid vaccines large phase 3 trials haven’t been ejected into a lunar orbit in some humongous spacecrafts, unavailable to researchers. The trial is ongoing and we now have much more than two months worth of safety and efficacy data available.
3 hours ago, Jack Peace said:
Skipped animal trials also.
That’s not true. I assume that you agree that mice and rhesus macaques are indeed animals? Please stop spreading disinformation.
As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects.
Those filters must be kaput. Useless. The internet is unfortunately awash with a flood of cray-cray conspiracy theories. I wish they’d have the filters repaired.
And no, when we’re talking about the scientific method, what’s legit isn’t determined by what individuals subjectively consider is ”legit” or not. Science doesn’t deal with ”alternative facts”. Alternative facts isn’t a thing.
The internet is full of people who think that 5G is the source of Covid-19. Thinking that a virus can be transmitted directly over the electromagnetic spectrum is ignorance and stupidity squared x Planck’s constant. But that doesn’t prevent some folks from believing that it is ”legit”.
And if anyone is thinking that I am an arrogant ***. Guilty as charged ?
Since you posted a link to some population control Bill Gates tinfoil hat site I don’t think that logic and facts will sway you. So this reply isn’t for you. It’s for other readers who stumbled across your post on a nursing site and who now feel alarm because healthcare professionals display such poor judgment and scientific acumen.
The two months testing claim is entirely misleading. The people who participated in the various Covid vaccines large phase 3 trials haven’t been ejected into a lunar orbit in some humongous spacecrafts, unavailable to researchers. The trial is ongoing and we now have much more than two months worth of safety and efficacy data available.
That’s not true. I assume that you agree that mice and rhesus macaques are indeed animals? Please stop spreading disinformation.
Those filters must be kaput. Useless. The internet is unfortunately awash with a flood of cray-cray conspiracy theories. I wish they’d have the filters repaired.
And no, when we’re talking about the scientific method, what’s legit isn’t determined by what individuals subjectively consider ”legit”. Science doesn’t deal with ”alternative facts”. Alternative facts isn’t a thing.
The internet is full of people who think that 5G is the source of Covid-19. Thinking that a virus can be transmitted directly over the electromagnetic spectrum is ignorance and stupidity squared x Planck’s constant. But that doesn’t prevent some folks from believing that it is ”legit”.
And if anyone is thinking that I am an arrogant ***. Guilty as charged ?
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35 minutes ago, nursej22 said:
Right? Most of these fervent anti-COVID vaxxers are brand new members.
Hmmm...
And with all the same talking points: brand-new, not tested, not tested on animals, my choice, DNA changing, injecting chemicals. No mention of fetal cells, yet.
Scientific method, observation, hypothesis, experimentation, conclusions, revisions of hypothesis if necessary. I'm just saying that I'm choosing to not be vaccinated because we are in fact in the experimental phase of this. I don't feel comfortable in participating in this stage. I respect those that do have the courage to go out on a limb and try to fix the problem. But I feel that it's not right to try to insult and be right on the fence of calling someone ignorant because of a personal choice they made about their body. Or criticizing them for having their own beliefs of what is true, untrue, biased,unbiased. To say that I'm making this all about me and insinuating that I don't care about my patients or the public is a pretty raunchy gesture. I currently work on a covid unit and I give my sweat, blood, and tears to those patients and that hospital, and I feel really good about that. I truly hope that some people have a better bedside manner than the disrespectful way they carry themselves here.
I am new to this forum and was actually really stoked about signing up here because of how intriguing I found the content to be. But honestly I think it's discouraging to see the condescending behavior that some members have displayed. Discouraging, yet okay. A few bad eggs don't make or break the basket.
Okay, Shelby91, I understand your personal beliefs are guiding your decision about a vaccine. But here are legitimate questions, that I have yet to answered about vaccine skeptics.
At what point will the vaccine not be considered experimental?
How long will you wait to assess long term effects? A generation? 2 generations?
I guess I feel rather strongly about this vaccine being our way out of this pandemic--that is will slow the development of variants. Locally our case numbers are not dropping, and people are still dying.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
People are entitled to their own opinions but when their opinions are shared in a nursing forum and reveal a foundation in misinformation and poorly focused fears there will be negative appraisal of the opinion. No, that is not equivalent to bullying.
I think it's terrible that there is so much misinformation posted on this site. It's embarrassing and the nonsense should be weeded out because all it does is spread fear.
As a LTC RN I never took the flu shot. especially now with all the hype and misleading information out there and don't feel I should be forced to take one either. It's my choice. Medical facilities are loaded with diseases and contagions you can pick up at any time and proper precautions were always in place to limit exposure.. I am not one to have myself injected with a virus..alive or dead when I am in good health either and take good care of myself. However..we all get sick at one point of our lives. I have been there and recovered. and in the past year I have worked in a homeless shelter around those who were apparently positive. And never got sick. If anyone comes at me saying I have to take that shot against my better judgement I would ask to be tested first to see if I were exposed. viruses change all the time and my gut feelng is that this is a bit overblown for fluf or polical reasons...if you were to go onto the CDC website...they never accurately counted cases and or deaths from past flu viruses UNTIL this Covid came along which I find very strange...why Now????? I feel its a fear tactic and its working as planned. But this is just my opinion. because if you think about it....people I feel have been subject to being locked in their homes and used like lab rats.....ie: lab mice are locked in cages and tested on...so I hope and pray that those people who have taken the shot don't have any health related issues in regard to it in the future. I know of one person who contracted it and lost use of his legs and one arm and speech....he was a police officer and is coming along slowly...... Time will tell I guess to actually see what happens to those who took the shot..
I reckon that what constitutes a bad egg is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think that posters who are actively trying to dissuade people from taking what could be a life-saving vaccine are the very epitome of rotten stinking eggs. I’m not saying that’s you but this pandemic has brought them out of the woodwork and we’ve seen many new posters whose sole purpose for being here seems to be to spread their dangerous lies and disinformation. I regard them as a threat to public health and if they actually are healthcare professionals, an embarrassment to our profession.
13 minutes ago, CABGpatch_RN said:
I think it's terrible that there is so much misinformation posted on this site. It's embarrassing and the nonsense should be weeded out because all it does is spread fear.
Shelby91
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It is a personal choice, point blank. The facility in which I'm employed has always given the option to get the annual flu shot, even before Covid hit; it offered staff the choice to get the injection or to wear a mask to protect the employee and the patients. Proper use of PPE on a unit suffices for the protection of the nurse and her patient; so for someone to throw shade on someone's choice to not inject a brand new chemical from a fairly new medical technology into their body is judgemental, no matter how passive aggressive the approach may be. As for what one person may classify as "legit" doesn't necessarily qualify as legitimate for the next person. It seems that not everyone, and sadly most likely the majority of the public, medically educated or not, don't realize the censorship of the internet now. Yes, there is some real peer reviewed legit research to be found; however, more insidiously, the largest search engines are embedded with filters that are designed to influence the population on many subjects. There is truth in the old saying, "believe half of what you see, none of what you hear". I'm not going to argue, but I'm also entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else. As I previously stated, there is no way of knowing what the effects of a new drug will bring in the future, negative or positive, only time can reveal that.