Does the shot mess with your DNA?

[Floor_Nurse]

The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it. 

The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed. 

Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.

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51 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:

Scientific method, observation, hypothesis, experimentation, conclusions, revisions of hypothesis if necessary. I'm just saying that I'm choosing to not be vaccinated because we are in fact in the experimental phase of this. I don't feel comfortable in participating in this stage. I respect those that do have the courage to go out on a limb and try to fix the problem. But I feel that it's not right to try to insult and be right on the fence of calling someone ignorant because of a personal choice they made about their body. Or criticizing them for having their own beliefs of what is true, untrue, biased,unbiased. To say that I'm making this all about me and insinuating that I don't care about my patients or the public is a pretty raunchy gesture. I currently work on a covid unit and I give my sweat, blood, and tears to those patients and that hospital, and I feel really good about that. I truly hope that some people have a better bedside manner than the disrespectful way they carry themselves here.

I am new to this forum and was actually really stoked about signing up here because of how intriguing I found the content to be. But honestly I think it's discouraging to see the condescending behavior that some members have displayed. Discouraging, yet okay. A few bad eggs don't make or break the basket.

Does HR know that you are unvaccinated or the hospital insurance provider? You are a serious liability just waiting to happen in so many ways. 

You are entitled to your opinions but just as you avoid certain smelly foods because of the likelihood of contamination, society will ostracize you because you are maybe a danger due to contamination! This is not the flu, this kills and maims! 

[Hlopez90]

38 minutes ago, nursej22 said:

Okay, Shelby91, I understand your personal beliefs are guiding your decision about a vaccine. But here are legitimate questions, that I have yet to answered about vaccine skeptics. 

At what point will the vaccine not be considered experimental? 

How long will you wait to assess long term effects? A generation? 2 generations? 

I guess I feel rather strongly about this vaccine being our way out of this pandemic--that is will slow the development of variants. Locally our case numbers are not dropping, and people are still dying. 

Exactly- almost every drug on the market can be seen as “still an experiment” by her definition. A medication that’s been in the market for years may work for one person and kill another, does that still technically make it experimental? It seems she is selectively using this term to support her flawed beliefs. 

2 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Does HR know that you are unvaccinated or the hospital insurance provider? You are a serious liability just waiting to happen in so many ways. 

You are entitled to your opinions but just as you avoid certain smelly foods because of the likelihood of contamination, society will ostracize you because you are maybe a danger due to contamination! This is not the flu, this kills and maims! 

Seriously- sooo irresponsible! 

[Shelby91]

Nursej22, first, thank you for being respectful and professional in your reply?. That is a really good question and point. I've thought about it a lot lately, I've come to a personal conclusion that I feel like I want to wait 3 years. I don't really know what made me decide that's a good time frame, but I've decided that's when I might decide to get it. I didn't hesitate to have my children vaccinated as babies, I got those shots when I was their age and that was 29 years ago, so I felt comfortable. Those shots have been administered for decades. I understand and admire you for feeling strongly about this topic.  And I really hope that the vaccine is the answer. I just can't make myself not be worried about what might happen years down the road if I get the vaccine, right or wrong, that's where I'm at as of now.

[macawake, MSN]

26 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:

I've thought about it a lot lately, I've come to a personal conclusion that I feel like I want to wait 3 years.And I really hope that the vaccine is the answer. I just can't make myself not be worried about what might happen years down the road if I get the vaccine, right or wrong, but that’s where I’m at as of now.

First of all, kudos for actually answering the question about how long you plan on waiting. I think you’re the first one who’s actually offered up a timeframe. 

Serious 100% snark-free question: do you know of a single vaccine that has taken years to reveal unknown serious side effects? I’m genuinely curious. I don’t know of any, but I’m open to the possibility that I’ve missed the existence of such a vaccine. 

I can’t help but feel that so many people have actually been affected by all the disinformation that has been deliberately spread on a massive scale, both about the virus itself and now the vaccines. I genuinely feel that so much of the hesitation, trepidation or fear is based on an emotional reaction to that disinformation. 

If it’s mRNA vaccines you have concerns about there are several other vaccines that uses other techniques that will likely be approved long before the three years have passed. I think the J&J vaccine is approved (or EUA?) in the U.S. now? And more will likely follow. Would you consider one of those? 

 

[Shelby91]

I'm not trying to convince anyone to get it or to not get it. I am simply saying how I feel, that's all. How I feel does not make me less of a person and it does not make me less of a nurse. My employer is fully aware that I'm not vaccinated. As a matter of fact there are several coworkers that are not getting it at this time. It is not mandatory at my job at this time; and when the CNO and president were asked by several staff members during a recent meeting if it would be made mandatory, they answered no. And their rationale was that it was still too new to make mandatory at this time. They did encourage us to get it, but it is not required as of now. A medication that's been on the market for a very long time could cause injury or death to a person, but that is rare, and that is what time,evaluation, and statistics have determined. However it's pretty common to see lawsuit commercials on drugs that have led to hundreds or thousands of detrimental side effects, most of them being on the market for not so long. And I'm not believing that you are unaware of the thousands of people that die every year due to complications of flu. Good grief. 

[lumbarpain56]

Working in LTC as an RN for over 35 years I never got the flu shot....I know people who did. had some reactions and recovered. I am not a fan of introducing any virus into my system if I were already exposed to it...and working with homeless at a shelter who were exposed and had it, I ,Praise the Lord never got sick. and there are many who have great immune systems that get it and fight it off. I feel your DNA and taking good care of yourself, enjoy life as best you can and allviate stress and take proper precautions as we always did around sick people has worked well. Yes...some have succumbed to diseases and flus....which we as nurses fight to keep the population and friends/family members free from these maladies. All we can do is the best thing we know how and are taught. But I truly feel that viruses amongst many other things in life can be deadly I don't condone locking up people in their homes...preventing free movement among the population, closing businesses,and schools and many other things...this may sound cruel...but only the strong survive in this world and we are there to help those that are weak to be strong again . We are not lab rats to be locked up in cages(our homes) and tested on whenever the government feels like it.  All I want  right now is for people and civilization to return  to somewhat normalcy ,because this fuels more diseases, mental and physical for people right now.  My opinion thats all.

 

 

[CABGpatch_RN, BSN]

20 minutes ago, macawake said:

Serious 100% snark-free question: do you know of a single vaccine that has taken years to reveal unknown serious side effects? I’m genuinely curious. I don’t know of any, but I’m open to the idea that I’ve missed the existence of such a vaccine. 

 

https://www.immunize.org/timeline/

This is a fascinating timeline of vaccines dating back 200 years.

"The development of vaccines continued at a fairly slow rate until the last several decades when new scientific discoveries and technologies led to rapid advances in virology, molecular biology, and vaccinology."

I think that it's true that everything Covid-19 has been so utterly politicized that it lead to outrageous conspiracy theories that even highly degreed people get swept up in the fear of it all.  

In the 60's, during a time of rapid changes in vaccinations is when I received most of my childhood vaccines.  Imagine how my life and the life of my siblings (and the world actually) may have been different if there was hesitancy back then to not trust the scientific process and our family doctor when these vaccines were introduced relatively rapidly. 

The difference these days with the hesitancy IS the politicization of science!  It's outrageous. 

We administer treatments to patients every hour of every day thinking about the rewards outweighing the risks.  The Covid-19 vaccine is one of those times.  We are in it NOW.  Where will we all individually stand in history?

[macawake, MSN]

6 minutes ago, lumbarpain56 said:

We are not lab rats to be locked up in cages(our homes) and tested on whenever the government feels like it.

12 minutes ago, lumbarpain56 said:

All I want  right now is for people and civilization to return  to somewhat normalcy ,because this fuels more diseases, mental and physical for people right now.  My opinion thats all.

 

No one in this thread has advocated for locking people up in their homes. This thread is about Covid-19 vaccines and they are actually a way back to the normalcy you seem to long for. I think we all do. This last year has taken a toll. I didn’t take the vaccine for my government. I don’t feel the least bit experimented on. I took the vaccine and I’m grateful for it. 

17 minutes ago, lumbarpain56 said:

this may sound cruel...but only the strong survive in this world..

(partial quote)

You’re right, that does sound cruel. 

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28 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:

Nursej22, first, thank you for being respectful and professional in your reply?. That is a really good question and point. I've thought about it a lot lately, I've come to a personal conclusion that I feel like I want to wait 3 years. I don't really know what made me decide that's a good time frame, but I've decided that's when I might decide to get it. I didn't hesitate to have my children vaccinated as babies, I got those shots when I was their age and that was 29 years ago, so I felt comfortable. Those shots have been administered for decades. I understand and admire you for feeling strongly about this topic.  And I really hope that the vaccine is the answer. I just can't make myself not be worried about what might happen years down the road if I get the vaccine, right or wrong, that's where I'm at as of now.

This is where you lost me and IMO your credibility. You have a time frame instead of an evidence criteria? By your logic you will never take the vaccine. 

100k administered vaccine will throw up anomalies. Over three years, numerous anomalies! 

Why are you in a profession that's completely evidenced based? When you chart, are you allowed to be subjective? Why do you think that is? Can you administer TX outside of the care plan protocols? Can you invite the acupuncturist from down the street? Extrapolating, are you vegetarian and are you sure it's organic or the containers absent of artificially produced chemicals? 

Personally it's not my business but I wouldn't work with you because based on your logic, I have no idea what you may have consumed or been exposed to in the past and what petri dish of Chemistry you may be brewing. No offense intended just using your logic. 

[Shelby91]

Snark-free reply, no, I cannot name a certain vaccine that has taken years to prove that it's harmless. I really don't know. What I do know is that I have read about some SERIOUS sicknesses that have happened to some people immediately after getting this vaccine. One of them being a doctor that developed an ITP at 55 years old after getting this shot. Could it be coincidence? Of course it could, but it might not have been. Immune mediated diseases can be and are often triggered by environmental factors. I agree that there is way too much misinformation out there. But I feel confident in my ability in being able to distinguish right from wrong atleast 90% of the time. I also agree that misinformation leads to hysteria. And as far as other vaccines with different mechanisms of action, I would possibly consider them. I try not to think with a closed mind. I may even get this one some day, I just want to wait for a while.

[Hlopez90]

24 minutes ago, lumbarpain56 said:

Working in LTC as an RN for over 35 years I never got the flu shot....I know people who did. had some reactions and recovered. I am not a fan of introducing any virus into my system if I were already exposed to it...and working with homeless at a shelter who were exposed and had it, I ,Praise the Lord never got sick. and there are many who have great immune systems that get it and fight it off. I feel your DNA and taking good care of yourself, enjoy life as best you can and allviate stress and take proper precautions as we always did around sick people has worked well. Yes...some have succumbed to diseases and flus....which we as nurses fight to keep the population and friends/family members free from these maladies. All we can do is the best thing we know how and are taught. But I truly feel that viruses amongst many other things in life can be deadly I don't condone locking up people in their homes...preventing free movement among the population, closing businesses,and schools and many other things...this may sound cruel...but only the strong survive in this world and we are there to help those that are weak to be strong again . We are not lab rats to be locked up in cages(our homes) and tested on whenever the government feels like it.  All I want  right now is for people and civilization to return  to somewhat normalcy ,because this fuels more diseases, mental and physical for people right now.  My opinion thats all.

 

 

What is this even? Yikes.

[Shelby91]

Curious, I said right there in my post that I had no rhyme or reason for choosing three years, that is just what I decided on. There's nothing to analyze there, you don't have to pick it apart. My logic is that when I have an instinct, I follow it. The first reaction is usually the correct one. Three years is what my brain came up with, my logic is by that time I will have a broader picture of the effects, good or bad. I really don't have to explain myself here. I don't work with you and I don't need your approval of my credibility. How dare you ask me why I'm in this profession? I mean really?  I am in this profession because it was and is my calling.I have compassion.I establish trust, faith and hope in the people I care for, and I get off on it.