The way that this Covid vaccine works is quite different from the flu shot. The Covid vax. is not a (dead) bacteria or virus being injected into your body. (With Pfizer & Moderna) RNA (called messenger RNA) that's been coded in a lab goes into your arm. The RNA has instructions, or a code, that gets deposited on the cell. The ribosomes of the cell make a spike protein. It looks similar to the spike protein on the surface of the actual Corona virus. Then your body is supposed to make antibodies (antigens) that goes after the spike protein and neutralize it.
The problem is that this has not been tested in any long-term studies, so, this is more of an experiment. We don't know whether or not the DNA gets permanently changed (possibly bad). We're talking about something that's not supposed to be in your body (made in a lab) that can bind to the surface of your cells and possibly may not be able to be reversed.
Also, since the drug is still being evaluated for long term adverse effects, pregnancy, etc., the FDA would not license the drug, but instead, put out as EUA... Emergency Use Authorization.
Snark-free reply, no, I cannot name a certain vaccine that has taken years to prove that it's harmless. I really don't know. What I do know is that I have read about some SERIOUS sicknesses that have happened to some people immediately after getting this vaccine. One of them being a doctor that developed an ITP at 55 years old after getting this shot. Could it be coincidence? Of course it could, but it might not have been. Immune mediated diseases can be and are often triggered by environmental factors. I agree that there is way too much misinformation out there. But I feel confident in my ability in being able to distinguish right from wrong atleast 90% of the time. I also agree that misinformation leads to hysteria. And as far as other vaccines with different mechanisms of action, I would possibly consider them. I try not to think with a closed mind. I may even get this one some day, I just want to wait for a while.
Would you get into a taxi if you knew the driver has no insurance? Using basic logic, what does an uninsured taxi driver say about him? Are there any other shortcuts he may have taken? Are the brakes or tyres up to snuff?
Unvaccinated health care workers are uninsured re what other shortcuts have they taken? Do they understand biology or even more significantly can I TRUST them? If I'm coming on after you and getting your patients, did you actually give the meds as prescribed or are you questioning the efficacy or ethics or whatever re the txs and am I compromised? I would actually feel no exaggeration, paranoid, taking your patients.
Curious, I said right there in my post that I had no rhyme or reason for choosing three years, that is just what I decided on. There's nothing to analyze there, you don't have to pick it apart. My logic is that when I have an instinct, I follow it. The first reaction is usually the correct one. Three years is what my brain came up with, my logic is by that time I will have a broader picture of the effects, good or bad. I really don't have to explain myself here. I don't work with you and I don't need your approval of my credibility. How dare you ask me why I'm in this profession? I mean really? I am in this profession because it was and is my calling.I have compassion.I establish trust, faith and hope in the people I care for, and I get off on it.
Well, I never trust my instinct or feelings without logically picking it apart. I know a little too much biology for that. I also have responsibilities to my patients, colleagues and my profession. At work, I follow protocols because I am part of a TEAM. In my business life, I follow me, because I am the only one responsible for paying the bills and insurances! And I can't hurt anyone because of my decisions!
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
6 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:
Curious, I said right there in my post that I had no rhyme or reason for choosing three years, that is just what I decided on. There's nothing to analyze there, you don't have to pick it apart. My logic is that when I have an instinct, I follow it. The first reaction is usually the correct one. Three years is what my brain came up with, my logic is by that time I will have a broader picture of the effects, good or bad. I really don't have to explain myself here. I don't work with you and I don't need your approval of my credibility. How dare you ask me why I'm in this profession? I mean really? I am in this profession because it was and is my calling.I have compassion.I establish trust, faith and hope in the people I care for, and I get off on it.
I sure hope the bolded part is a typo because otherwise that's a whole other topic and thread in and of itself.
And with all due respect, you are being questioned because you don't seem to be fully basing your opinions on science, and no matter how much of a "calling" this may be for you it is very much a science based profession which should always use science to guide and make decisions.
Whoa, you're really reaching out there. What I choose for my personal health and body has nothing to do with my patients. LOL I can't understand the logic behind that.
Snark-free reply, no, I cannot name a certain vaccine that has taken years to prove that it's harmless. I really don't know. What I do know is that I have read about some SERIOUS sicknesses that have happened to some people immediately after getting this vaccine. One of them being a doctor that developed an ITP at 55 years old after getting this shot. Could it be coincidence? Of course it could, but it might not have been. Immune mediated diseases can be and are often triggered by environmental factors. I agree that there is way too much misinformation out there.
Yes, there have been a few reports regarding suspected serious, even fatal, side effects. I remember reading about the Florida physician I think you’re talking about here. In the past week several European countries have actually halted the rollout of another Covid-19 vaccine, AstraZeneca’s. That’s a viral vector vaccine so a different type than the one the U.S. physician got. There have been reports of several thromboembolic events, some with DIC like presentation, in individuals who’d received the vaccine.
Well over 400 million doses of various Covid vaccines have been administered worldwide so far. The reports of serious adverse events are very few considering the huge number of doses administered. It has not been determined that the vaccines are the causative factor but it’s of course very important that the data is carefully tracked as it accumulates. If this turns out to be a side effect it appears to be extremely rare.
Immune thrombocytopenia secondary to a Covid-19 infection, along with a host of other complications, is also a risk and as with everything in medicine it’s important to do a risk-benefit analysis for every medication or intervention we implement.
I’m going to say this and then leave these threads as these threads disturb me. The thought processes that so called medical professionals have blow my mind.
Science is not a belief or opinion. It’s a proven fact with evidence to back it up. I need people to stop saying well that’s your belief and I’m entitled to mine. I’m not stating an opinion. I’m stating evidenced based facts. That’s what medicine is. It’s like saying well that’s your opinion that the patient has pneumonia. My opinion is the have a cold. When you’ve done the testing to confirm pneumonia. I did a cxr, bronch, and cultures. These are not opinions.
Now, if you are choosing to ignore the facts and still not take the vaccine, say that. Say I’m fearful of this or fearful of that. Medicine is not a religion or belief system.
That definitely was a typo. I always trust my instincts, and it's gotten me through. I did very well in all of my prerequisites, except statistics LOL. But I understand science. I follow protocols at my job and I am actually called on frequently to help with difficult situations by fellow RNs. Not tooting my own horn but defending myself. I know what it takes to be a good nurse, and I put my all into it every time. I think it's beneficial for humans to utilize their God given gifts, some of which science can't fully explain. Instinct being a big one.
Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
19 minutes ago, Shelby91 said:
Curious, I said right there in my post that I had no rhyme or reason for choosing three years, that is just what I decided on. There's nothing to analyze there, you don't have to pick it apart. My logic is that when I have an instinct, I follow it. The first reaction is usually the correct one. Three years is what my brain came up with, my logic is by that time I will have a broader picture of the effects, good or bad. I really don't have to explain myself here. I don't work with you and I don't need your approval of my credibility. How dare you ask me why I'm in this profession? I mean really? I am in this profession because it was and is my calling.I have compassion.I establish trust, faith and hope in the people I care for, and I get off on it.
Instinctive or emotional responses are not equivalent to evidence based critical thought.
Why do you worry more about hypothetical long term negative consequences of the vaccines but not of infection? Even people who had mild symptoms can experience long term health issues because of Covid 19 infection.
That definitely was a typo. I always trust my instincts, and it's gotten me through. I did very well in all of my prerequisites, except statistics LOL. But I understand science. I follow protocols at my job and I am actually called on frequently to help with difficult situations by fellow RNs. Not tooting my own horn but defending myself. I know what it takes to be a good nurse, and I put my all into it every time. I think it's beneficial for humans to utilize their God given gifts, some of which science can't fully explain. Instinct being a big one.
But you can’t practice nursing on instinct. You can have instincts and sometimes those instincts are right, but you can’t practice nursing on your instincts. That’s not science.
Loving, I did state in atleast one of my prior posts that I'm not getting vaccinated at this time, primarily due to being fearful. I don't practice nursing on instincts, you are putting words in my mouth. I don't rely on my own beliefs or assumptions when I take care of my patients. In my personal life, I direct myself in a personal manner. The topic has veered from the highway and has become lost in the woods. This is about the vaccine, I said I don't plan on getting it for a while. I'm at liberty to make that decision for myself based on instinct or whatever my reasoning may be, that is my right as a human.
I am not going to discount the emotional factor around getting vaccinated. But I can speak to my emotions about getting vaccinated:
I am so happy that I feel I can safely hug my grandchildren again.
Throughout the pandemic my partner and adult child have been working outside the home, so every day is a opportunity for exposure. Vaccination puts me much more at ease that I am not going bring serious illness home.
Schools are resuming in-class sessions. Part of the hold up in my area is that the teachers balked about their safety. Getting vaccinated has helped to feel safer.
I live near the Canadian border and our local economy has taken a huge hit from lack of cross border shoppers. Vaccination makes reopening happen sooner.
The thought of families being able to visit relatives in care facilities is huge. I've helped to test these folks and they look so forlorn at being shut away.
In our county we have had 7000 cases, and 86 deaths. In contrast, we have given 58000 vaccines, without serious incident.
I'm okay being a guinea pig, if that's what you want to call me. If I supply data as to the effects of the Moderna vaccine, then so be it.
And with all the same talking points: brand-new, not tested, not tested on animals, my choice, DNA changing, injecting chemicals. No mention of fetal cells, yet.
I'm one of the rare nurses that believe the fetal cell one depending on what is meant. If you mean the fetal cell lines were used for research and production of some vaccines, then yes. If you mean the fetal cells are in the vaccine... no.
there are no fetal cells "in" any vaccine I am aware of but the cell lines are mentioned by the CDC as ingredients for the vaccines such as the MMR.
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Would you get into a taxi if you knew the driver has no insurance? Using basic logic, what does an uninsured taxi driver say about him? Are there any other shortcuts he may have taken? Are the brakes or tyres up to snuff?
Unvaccinated health care workers are uninsured re what other shortcuts have they taken? Do they understand biology or even more significantly can I TRUST them? If I'm coming on after you and getting your patients, did you actually give the meds as prescribed or are you questioning the efficacy or ethics or whatever re the txs and am I compromised? I would actually feel no exaggeration, paranoid, taking your patients.