Vaccination Mandating

toomuchbaloney · Nov 16, 2021

7 minutes ago, macawake said:

So much ”concern” being shared about the vaccines. Very little concern about the virus itself.

That's how propaganda works...

SmilingBluEyes · Nov 16, 2021

The "concern" is for self, not humanity at large. That is the difference now versus during times when polio, MMR, etc were epidemics. Now people don't care if others sick. But listen them to them wail when the hospital beds are not available for them or loved ones cause they are all taken up with COVID patients. THEN maybe people might care. But not likely. It's me, me, me.

I am no sheep just because I got a vaccine that helps me from getting sick, missing work and putting undue burden on coworkers (which happened when a coworker contracted COVID, we were short staffed for 3 weeks).

My viral load will be less than that of an actively sick person would be, so I am safer around my loved ones and my patients. See, I do care about others not just myself. It's a major reason I feel obligated to vaccinate. Failing community responsibility, what others said works for me: "mandates work".

Guest219794 · Nov 17, 2021

10 hours ago, macawake said:

Oh trust me, I know.. Most of the time when I reply in the Covid-19 threads, my post isn’t really aimed at the poster I’m responding to. I guess it bugs me to see a nursing site inundated with disinformation and repeated attempts of promoting vaccine hesitancy. Truth be told I’m not even sure who it is that I’m trying to get through to… I figure that most people have already chosen a ”side”. Most licensed healthcare professionals are on the side of the vaccines and public health promotion, but a vocal few keep spreading their fears and ”concerns”. (As I’ve said before, I’m not convinced that all posters are actually healthcare professionals. But some are, and that’s in my opinion troubling).

I definitely don’t think that I will change anyone’s mind, but perhaps calm a few who might start experiencing unease about the vaccines after reading post after post of disinformation. I’m trying to offer a nudge back towards reality and science, in case someone mistakenly starts to worry that the sheer volume of disinformation somehow means that it has substance (no smoke without fire type phenomenon). But mostly it’s just that I don’t think disinformation or cherry-picking studies according to preformed biases and poor interpretations of scientific studies should be allowed to exist unchallenged on a nursing site.

So much ”concern” being shared about the vaccines. Very little concern about the virus itself.

For the most part, the arguments presented are so intelectually weak, they defy any kind of meaningful interaction.

Sure, I could go with sciencedude on this. If he makes it into and through nursing school, he might one day be a nurse. Or, I could go with the actual medical understanding of every doctor I work with. Tough choice.

I suppose it makes sense to refute this crapola, but it must be tiring.

There is a school of thought that refuting a bad point can actually strengthen it. I have a niece working on her doctorate, an we were talking about this. Because of the catastrophe caused by mis/disinformation, this is a pretty hot topic.

Guest219794 · Nov 17, 2021

The term I was looking for is belief echoes.

The subject got a lot of focus in the past several years, as knowedeable, educated people started trying to wrap their minds aroud how such a large portion of the population can believe somehting that is not true.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 17, 2021

53 minutes ago, hherrn said:

The term I was looking for is belief echoes.

The subject got a lot of focus in the past several years, as knowedeable, educated people started trying to wrap their minds aroud how such a large portion of the population can believe somehting that is not true.

Indoctrination. This is the era of conmen, grifters and charlatans. An entire segment of the population is prepared to believe things without evidence.

toomuchbaloney · Nov 17, 2021

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GrumpyRN, NP · Nov 19, 2021

"Austria introduces lockdown for unvaccinated"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128

Austria is taking vaccination seriously.

SmilingBluEyes · Nov 19, 2021

1 minute ago, GrumpyRN said:

"Austria introduces lockdown for unvaccinated"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59283128

Austria is taking vaccination seriously.

I saw that. They sure are.

Lucydog14 · Nov 25, 2021

People can choose to not have the vaccine but they also have to accept the consequences and restrictions.

Hannahbanana, BSN, MSN · Nov 26, 2021

And now comes the newly-named Omicron variant, recently identified in several South African countries (and also already found in Belgium, Hong Kong, and Israel, so it's out there). The earliest collected specimen was from Botswana on 11/11/2021, and "may have originated in a chronic enfection of an immunocompromised person, such as an untreated HIV/AIDS patient. (Science, 11/26/2021)" Further info on severity of illness, penetration, and which, precisely, spike proteins are involved is a source of feverish study in many labs around the world but won't be possible to know for a few weeks, as infectivity and contact spreading proceeds. Further investigation will shed light on whether past vaccines will be effective, or not. Stand by. Definitely a developing situation.

It appears it may be more contagious than earlier variants and may carry a "higher risk of re-infection than other variants of concern" (WHO). BioNTech, who produced the Pfizer vaccine, released a statement that said they "have taken actions months ago to be able to adapt the mRNA vaccine within 6 weeks and ship initial batches within 100 days in the event of an escape variant."

SmilingBluEyes · Nov 26, 2021

More than ever we need as many people to get vaccinated as possible.

Mandates work.