Vaccination Mandating

[Ariemay82, RN]

I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

[Tenebrae, BSN, RN]

New Zealand went into level four lock down over one case of delta variant. 

In just over 4 weeks thats turned into 900 cases. 

Personally I'm all for anything that gets us back to normal life

[emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B]

All for it. The simple fact that mandates are needed speaks volumes to the sheer stupidity of those can get vaccinated but choose not to. 

 

[Guest219794]

On 9/12/2021 at 4:06 AM, Ariemay82 said:

I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

I am glad you brought this topic up.  Up till now, there has been no discussion on this.

Anyhow, I am quite sure there is universal support, now that it is FDA approved.  After all, we are already under multiple vaccine mandates, just like schools, military, etc.  Since this one is actually in place to help stem a lethal pandemic that has had crippling effects on our economy, obviously any poster here is in favor.

[T-Bird78]

My healthcare system has a deadline of October 1 and if you’re not complaint by then, you’re suspended without pay until you get your vaccine OR 30 days, at which point you’ll be terminated. One coworker submitted her resignation effective 9/30 the day after we were given that deadline. Last week, she returned to work after contracting COVID for the SECOND time and told our manager she’d changed her mind and will get the vaccine. Well, our manger lied to her and said her position has already been filled so she couldn’t stay!  (I know she lied because we can’t even post an open position until the person’s last day). I do see the point of the mandate, since we already have to have our flu shots every year, along with the Hep shots, but I know there will be several people leaving due to this. I was one of the first vaccinated at my office so I’m good. 

[pclaybrooke, RN, NP]

In the United States of America, it feels very communistic to have anything mandated. Things can be highly recommended, but to just say things like:

"All for it. The simple fact that mandates are needed speaks volumes to the sheer stupidity of those can get vaccinated but choose not to". - This response shows lack of intelligence to review the science from both sides of the spectrum. C'mon medical community, we're better than this. Don't just follow the liberal media machine that tout's fear on a daily basis, but never seems to put success stories from the vaccinated and unvaccinated. I have majority of my unvaccinated patients that have done very well after getting covid and I have also had a few both vaccinated and unvaccinated patient's that had to go to the hospital. So it is a huge disservice to the medical community as a whole to take sides when we have forever been able to "agree to disagree" and keep making decisions based on scientific evidence which is constantly being updated. Some really good reports recently out of Israel and England.  

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

Sorry, I'm known for being a little thick here. 

What does "very communistic" mean? Do you mean public health? Doing something that benefits society as a whole?

As far as vaccine mandates go, they are being made by employers, not the government (except when it is the employer). So what is the term for when an employer sets conditions of employment? Marxism, communism, fascist, Nazi like? Capitalism? 

[pclaybrooke, RN, NP]

Communist in the form of dictating or mandating “you will do this or else” from the presidents mouth or businesses and hospitals will be fined. Puts places in a hard spot which will not work for the American businesses and health care agencies in the past. To be fair the president did say that people could also be tested weekly, but hospitals are not implementing this and that’s why there is a huge loss of nurses.

things can be highly recommended, but to mandate “or else” is not what we do in America and there is evidence on both sides for and against vaccination that is actually very valid, more studies once again from Israel and London have seemed to bring about some good evidence for the unvaccinated and vaccinated and both of these areas have been highly vaccinated. I think there is evidence of pros and cons on both sides of this discussion of vaccinated and unvaccinated, so to draw a line on everyone should vaccinate seems scientifically unresponsible. What about those who have the antibodies? Haven’t heard a word about this. And why are the vaccinated even worried about the unvaccinated if they are protected?

just thoughts

 

[pclaybrooke, RN, NP]

I think we in the medical field need to have constructive discussions, because the people will remain divided if we can’t even work towards some agreements within both sides of the debate

[SmilingBluEyes]

I am all for it. Too many people are at risk and not just COVID patients. What about those needing care who are being held off d/t hospitals filling up with COVID cases?  90-97% of all those in the hospital with COVID did not get shots. There are people being denied beds who have other conditions besides COVID and it's already been fatal in at least one known case.  A patient died of gallstone pancreatitis waiting for bed when there were no beds available for 5 states around him. Others can't get their hips replaced, one I know could not get timely repair of a fractured femur d/t there being no beds for him.

So yea, we need to do something. And I believe nursing staff should be vaccinated. Someone in another thread,  suggested vaccinated nurses care for all COVID patients and non-vaccinated care for others. Not a good idea. We need to share the wealth, so to speak. Caring for people dying of preventable death takes a horrible toll on all staff caring for them.

So yes--- I am all for more people getting shots and seeing as so many have no sense of duty to their fellow human beings----well, what else can be done.

[toomuchbaloney]

20 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

I think we in the medical field need to have constructive discussions, because the people will remain divided if we can’t even work towards some agreements within both sides of the debate

 

25 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

Communist in the form of dictating or mandating “you will do this or else” from the presidents mouth or businesses and hospitals will be fined. Puts places in a hard spot which will not work for the American businesses and health care agencies in the past.

Communism is an economic ideology. The president isn't imposing fines but there are conditions attached to some federal healthcare funding related to vaccination.  

 

28 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

. What about those who have the antibodies? Haven’t heard a word about this. And why are the vaccinated even worried about the unvaccinated if they are protected?

People who have either natural or vaccine mediated immunity are at risk for reinfection or breakthrough infection when the contagion is circulating at pandemic levels.  Everyone will benefit from vaccination boosters until we can achieve herd immunity and decrease the viral load in our shared spaces. 

We are worried about the unvaccinated because they are vulnerable to long term or serious illness or death...because they are where the variants develop...because their serious illnesses are expensive and testing the ability of our profit centered health system to provide care. We are worried because the unvaccinated are prolonging all of the negative elements of this pandemic. 

36 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

I think there is evidence of pros and cons on both sides of this discussion of vaccinated and unvaccinated, so to draw a line on everyone should vaccinate seems scientifically unresponsible.

Seriously, no. The abundance of the scientific evidence is clear and in agreement.  The pandemic is dangerous.  Widespread illness and death is not economically sustainable.  The health system cannot continue to support wave after wave of covid.  Vaccination results in reduction of illness, hospitalization, death, disability, transmission and mutation of virus.  The vaccines are safe and effective.  

Everyone should vaccinate, that's the scientifically responsible conclusion and recommendation at this moment in time.  

[nursej22, MSN, RN]

1 hour ago, pclaybrooke said:

Communist in the form of dictating or mandating “you will do this or else” from the presidents mouth or businesses and hospitals will be fined. Puts places in a hard spot which will not work for the American businesses and health care agencies in the past. To be fair the president did say that people could also be tested weekly, but hospitals are not implementing this and that’s why there is a huge loss of nurses.

So actually, hospitals are making a business decision to mandate vaccine. Actually, my local hospital announced mandates before the President or the governor did. So capitalism. 

Another reason hospitals choose to mandate is because they employ trained, health providers who understand science.