Vaccination Mandating

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

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18 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

but still I think it’s not responsible to make claims for it being “safe for so many” when it has not been tested for more than a year barely.

Fortunately, our public health policy is currently directed by experts with a more sophisticated understanding of the science of the vaccines and pandemic.  The vaccines are safe and effective.  All eligible adults should vaccinate ASAP.

 

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I really wish we had time to discuss health policy because the population strategy should be educating the greater population. There are multiple ways we can achieve the goal of helping as many as possible not die without buying into the gimmicks that the majority who contract Covid have died, because that statistically is not true. I like you do not want anyone to die, but the truth is even the vaccinated have died, so shouldn’t we look for every best effort to help as many as we can. Why aren’t we discussing medications with quantitative efficacy for the masses like Ivermectin and Budesonide that many specialists have brought to light? Question in regards to our health policies - do you feel like the health policy specialists that put Remdesivir in place are doing right, because we are now showing high incidence of renal failure not induced by Covid and it’s cytokine storm, but a medication induced problem and the medication is not showing the results they had hoped it would, yet it is still being given at $3K a pop. Why? When Ivermectin is $50 for 20 tabs with better efficacy rates. Hate to make this a money thing ya’ll, but the longer you are in the field you will realize there’s always a money trail and that’s sad to me because there are so many good people that want to do the right thing, but are not allowed to. At some point, we all have to make a decision where we stand, the sad part to me is it is greatly dividing us as fellow medical workers. We have disagreed a great deal on therapies in the past and always seemed to be able to agree to disagree, until now. Now it has become personal, when before the right to choose was just a given. So to claim that we should all understand the principles of public health, I agree and one step further we should apply skepticism and logic to everything that comes our way. If someone says yo you to go give a medication to a patient and says they need it to save their life and it’s completely safe. Do you just go give it or do you wanna know the safety data, SE’s and ADE’s or test studies behind it? Did we all do that with this medication? I haven’t. I haven’t even done that. I should though. We all should. Why are so many health care workers not getting the vaccine? Shouldn’t that be something we think about and not just wave off as their being irresponsible?

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12 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

I really wish we had time to discuss health policy because the population strategy should be educating the greater population. There are multiple ways we can achieve the goal of helping as many as possible not die without buying into the gimmicks that the majority who contract Covid have died, because that statistically is not true. I like you do not want anyone to die, but the truth is even the vaccinated have died, so shouldn’t we look for every best effort to help as many as we can. Why aren’t we discussing medications with quantitative efficacy for the masses like Ivermectin and Budesonide that many specialists have brought to light? Question in regards to our health policies - do you feel like the health policy specialists that put Remdesivir in place are doing right, because we are now showing high incidence of renal failure not induced by Covid and it’s cytokine storm, but a medication induced problem and the medication is not showing the results they had hoped it would, yet it is still being given at $3K a pop. Why? When Ivermectin is $50 for 20 tabs with better efficacy rates. Hate to make this a money thing ya’ll, but the longer you are in the field you will realize there’s always a money trail and that’s sad to me because there are so many good people that want to do the right thing, but are not allowed to. At some point, we all have to make a decision where we stand, the sad part to me is it is greatly dividing us as fellow medical workers. We have disagreed a great deal on therapies in the past and always seemed to be able to agree to disagree, until now. Now it has become personal, when before the right to choose was just a given. So to claim that we should all understand the principles of public health, I agree and one step further we should apply skepticism and logic to everything that comes our way. If someone says yo you to go give a medication to a patient and says they need it to save their life and it’s completely safe. Do you just go give it or do you wanna know the safety data, SE’s and ADE’s or test studies behind it? Did we all do that with this medication? I haven’t. I haven’t even done that. I should though. We all should. Why are so many health care workers not getting the vaccine? Shouldn’t that be something we think about and not just wave off as their being irresponsible?

"without buying into the gimmicks that the majority who contract Covid have died, because that statistically is not true"

Where in the world have you gotten that this is a basis for promoting vaccination, of all the whacked out strawman arguments out there this is by far the most whacked.

If, as a supposed healthcare professional, you are going to discuss the topic of Covid and mitigation measures against Covid, there should be, and is, a line which you cannot cross and still expect to maintain a license, you are well past that line.  

There's no claim that Remdesivir is without the risk of adverse effects, and like other non-curative treatments for Covid and other viral infections, treatment options are fairly limited.  Remdesivir is one of the few options where, despite it's risk of adverse effects, the potential benefit outweighs the known (and fairly common) risks.  That's why invermectin isn't recommended, it's far more likely to result in harm than it is to benefit a patient.  

As to your question, "why are so many health care workers not getting the vaccine?", it's because they hear absurd claims from people like you and take you at your word, which apparently isn't worth much.

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40 minutes ago, pclaybrooke said:

I really wish we had time to discuss health policy because the population strategy should be educating the greater population.

We have time to discuss health policy.  The general strategy should be to avoid recommending unproven treatments or sharing misinformation during a public health emergency. 

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On 9/12/2021 at 4:06 AM, Ariemay82 said:

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

Support. I think the medical exemptions are plenty. We’re healthcare workers during a pandemic: we should be vaccinated.

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Sadly, I think this is one of those situations we will have to agree to disagree and we should both be fine with that, but for the record Remdesivir benefits have not outweighed the risks, that’s why in many hospitals as of recent they have stopped using it and moved on to high dose dexamethasone and older antiviral’s and Ivermectin is very safe - I’ll post some videos later today with highly regarded specialists in their fields talking and doing interviews amongst the current debate.
 

Also, you really think so many healthcare workers are not getting vaccinated, because of my stance? I think they aren’t getting vaccinated because they want more information and testing on the medication. C’mon- These are fellow healthcare workers and doctors and specialists.

Again, It’s a situation where everyone should take all of the information from both sides of the discussions and make the best decision for their health, not be intimidated or threatened with take the vaccine or else.

Ivermectin is not unproven. It has actually gone through multiple studies. I’ll upload the major studies with video attachments later today

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Sorry. Meant to attach that last part to another thread

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I feel like I should clarify that we have had many people in our clinic who have gotten vaccinated at the pharmacy and I think that’s great, because they made the decision to do what was best in their minds with all the information that was given to them.

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9 hours ago, pclaybrooke said:

without buying into the gimmicks that the majority who contract Covid have died, because that statistically is not true.

Nobody ever said that.  You can't just make something up and then argue with it.  Well, I suppose you can, but you shouldn't.  Stop that.

9 hours ago, pclaybrooke said:

Why aren’t we discussing medications with quantitative efficacy for the masses like Ivermectin and Budesonide that many specialists have brought to light?

We are.  More importantly, folks who truly understand how to interpret data are.

9 hours ago, MunoRN said:

When Ivermectin is $50 for 20 tabs with better efficacy rates.

Awesome.  What field of nursing are you in?

9 hours ago, pclaybrooke said:

Now it has become personal, when before the right to choose was just a given.

Nope Never in our lifetimes.  We have all had vaccine mandates.

 

9 hours ago, pclaybrooke said:

Why are so many health care workers not getting the vaccine?

From misinformation.  Now, if so many immunologists, or pulmonologists were not getting the vaccine, it would be a legit question.

 

Oh crap.  I just saw your post count, and made up credentials.

Nice one.  You got me.  

Really- you guys should have played the long game, creating characters a while ago with some track record.  But this new poster, outlandish statements thing has become pretty obvious.

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1 hour ago, hherrn said:

Really- you guys should have played the long game, creating characters a while ago with some track record.  But this new poster, outlandish statements thing has become pretty obvious.

I admittedly haven't read the whole post, and will agree with comment on the new poster, but MunoRN has been on this forum for years...

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26 minutes ago, Hoosier_RN said:

I admittedly haven't read the whole post, and will agree with comment on the new poster, but MunoRN has been on this forum for years...

Yes.  

and, it's very possible playbrooke has been as well under a different name.  I think that's pretty common.

But- an NP, during a pandemic saying " It’s a situation where everyone should take all of the information from both sides of the discussions and make the best decision for their health" at a time when one of the sides is misleading people and prolonging a public health catastrophe?  I sincerely hope it's a made up troll.

Any NP knows well that "all of the information" is not worthy of consideration, and that lay people are susceptible to politically motivated disinformation.

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That was quoted bit from MunoRN was probably a glitch...he is decidedly NOT spreading nonsense about covid treatment or vaccines.

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