Vaccination Mandating

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I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

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15 hours ago, hherrn said:

"When Ivermectin is $50 for 20 tabs with better efficacy rates."

...Awesome.  What field of nursing are you in?

 

That's actually from pclaybrooke's post which I replied to.

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5 hours ago, MunoRN said:

That's actually from pclaybrooke's post which I replied to.

DOH!.
My bad.  Can't edit it.

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5 hours ago, MunoRN said:

That's actually from pclaybrooke's post which I replied to.

DOH!.
My bad.  Can't edit it.

 

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On 9/12/2021 at 6:06 PM, Ariemay82 said:

I'm in NY. Wonder how other NURSES are feeling about mandatory COVID vaccination?

Hello Nurse in NY. I am in Australia and practicing for 20yrs + another 10 years as a Veterinary Nurse = technician in your language apparently in the USA. & still practicing Veterinary Nursing. I will come back to the Vet Nurse qualification at the end. It is relevant.

Let's look at it logically.
The R's include the Right to refuse. yes?
Also; that means the Right to accept.

Whenever I ask my wife if she would like to try something new in our intimacy, she has the Right to Refuse something put inside of her as well as the right to accept.
Patients have the same Right to if they accept or reject something put inside of them, even if we disagree with the patient's choice regardless of the medication. Why? Because we don't live in China or Russia.
I for one never want to practice nursing and be a Medical Rapist.
You may choose whatever you like to do as a clinical practitioner, I will not. This is my Right as a Clinician.
Patients have Right to Refuse, so do we.

If we can all settle down and discuss like civil people.

Please look at this video I found today on a Lawyer/Solicitor's work website and tell me what he is discussing in a very calm manner does not make sense, or if it does makes sense.
Can anyone do so without swearing and pointing the finger or shoving one's finger into someone else's figurative orifice??

Let us all stop vilifying the choice and Right to Refuse treatment.

If everyone else is vaccinated, why bother jumping up and down pointing the finger?
If someone uses the ICT, it won't be hurting me or you.
If someone uses BOTH, well good on them for covering all bases.

The Right to Choose is sacrosanct. Lets us all stop finger pointing, look at the video and settle petal.

https://aflsolicitors.com.au/

So what I am a Vet Nurse?
Back in the 1990's I was reading a Veterinary Doctors Scientific Journal...yes Veterinarians read complex things too.
In that journal, there was a large amount of debate as to why Carona Viruses were not being vaccinated in chickens. And a lot of people are eating chickens. So they are worth a whole lot of $$$. They decided that the trials they were doing or however it went in the journal because far east this was a long time ago I was reading this article, so relying on recollection....The vaccines were flat out lasting 4-6 months in effectiveness, so the resolution was basically stop flogging a dead horse....The mutations came about too quickly to make the vaccines economically viable.
It seems the same here today with the human vaccines. Mutations everywhere. Vaccination to me thus seems at the clinical level based upon my Vet Nursing & Human Nursing education and experience to be a total waste of time.

On another note, may I ask those overseas, is it still the case that the people over 50yrs old who are dieing?
I am asking this question to be answered by the people who actually are sending the bodies of the deceased to the morgue. No eye witness, no reply please to that question.

Please enjoy your day.

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On 9/18/2021 at 8:28 AM, pclaybrooke said:

In the United States of America, it feels very communistic to have anything mandated. Things can be highly recommended, but to just say things like:

"All for it. The simple fact that mandates are needed speaks volumes to the sheer stupidity of those can get vaccinated but choose not to". - This response shows lack of intelligence to review the science from both sides of the spectrum. C'mon medical community, we're better than this. Don't just follow the liberal media machine that tout's fear on a daily basis, but never seems to put success stories from the vaccinated and unvaccinated. I have majority of my unvaccinated patients that have done very well after getting covid and I have also had a few both vaccinated and unvaccinated patient's that had to go to the hospital. So it is a huge disservice to the medical community as a whole to take sides when we have forever been able to "agree to disagree" and keep making decisions based on scientific evidence which is constantly being updated. Some really good reports recently out of Israel and England.  

Hi there.
Very balanced. I would like to know more please.
I have a friend in UK who verified a government website I went to that says more than 93% of people tested already have the antibodies for covid, vaccinated or unvaccinated. 65% fully vaccinated population over there according to the website. Wow right, so that means a minimum of nearly 30% have natural immunity. Is my math correct? So why vaccinate those 30%?

On a statistical website that has all sorts of stuff on it can compare all the countries official data.
In Zimbabwe about 310 deaths per 100,000 people in the population.
In USA about 2020 deaths per 100,000 people in the population.

In UK about 2009 deaths per 100,000 people in the population.

This means a 3rd world country successfully treats covid better than the USA or the UK because, at those statistics, you are more than 6 x more likely to die from covid than a person in Zimbabwe.

That is an embarrassment to first world medicine practices.

Does anyone want me to show the websites and the searches I did on them? & you can go see for your self?
I was as shocked as you are right now - as I am in Australia & we are copying you guys....and everyone; vaccinated or not is going to catch covid, no exceptions.

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15 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

Patients have Right to Refuse, so do we.

No one is forced to vaccinate, everyone gets to choose. 

 

16 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:


If everyone else is vaccinated, why bother jumping up and down pointing the finger?

 

Where did you get the idea that "everyone else is vaccinated"? Only 50% of eligible adults are vaccinated in my region.  Even under the best circumstances all people aren't vaccinated against disease, only most. 

 

18 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

The mutations came about too quickly to make the vaccines economically viable.

Economically viable? What are you talking about?

 

19 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

Vaccination to me thus seems at the clinical level based upon my Vet Nursing & Human Nursing education and experience to be a total waste of time.

That's odd, there is definitely value in reducing the incidence of severe infection and death so your sense that vaccinating is a waste of time seems a bit off.

 

23 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:


On another note, may I ask those overseas, is it still the case that the people over 50yrs old who are dieing?
I am asking this question to be answered by the people who actually are sending the bodies of the deceased to the morgue. No eye witness, no reply please to that question.

So you are making claims about what is happening in the USA while not having any first hand information or credible data to support your thinking and then you believe that only you are allowed to comment on the situation from the perspective of an observer? Maybe you should "do your research" before you make claims about the American covid experience. 

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11 minutes ago, AreYouReallySure said:

I was as shocked as you are right now - as I am in Australia & we are copying you guys....and everyone; vaccinated or not is going to catch covid, no exceptions.

What does this bolded portion mean to you? To me it means that 30% of your population is going to listen to anonymous opinions and pseudoscience on social media and will push against all common sense public health recommendations to mitigate the pandemic, including masks and vaccination.  

If everyone is going to catch the virus wouldn't it be best if they were all vaccinated and less likely to get terribly ill, require treatment or hospitalization?

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Hi Baloney,

This thread is called "Vaccination Mandating"
"No one is forced to vaccinate, everyone gets to choose. "
Mandated vaccination of any person in a community is forcing them to choose in this example and thread, healthcare workers. Refusing results in what? No work = financial blackmail. Vaccinate or else reprisals occur.

"Where did you get the idea that "everyone else is vaccinated"? Only 50% of eligible adults are vaccinated in my region.  Even under the best circumstances all people aren't vaccinated against disease, only most."

............Baloney, obviously you are a very passionate clinician.
Please read the word in the sentence you quoted which clearly says the word "if" right at the start of my sentence.

"Economically viable? What are you talking about?"

.....Once again, read my post, it clearly relates to chickens. If you can't vaccinate chickens economically then it doesn't get done. I hope that clears it up for you.

"That's odd, there is definitely value in reducing the incidence of severe infection and death so your sense that vaccinating is a waste of time seems a bit off."

....You have your clinical opinions, I have mine. Both of us have critical thinking skills.

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On another note, may I ask those overseas, is it still the case that the people over 50yrs old who are dieing?
I am asking this question to be answered by the people who actually are sending the bodies of the deceased to the morgue. No eye witness, no reply please to that question.

*"So you are making claims about what is happening in the USA while not having any first hand information or credible data to support your thinking and then you believe that only you are allowed to comment on the situation from the perspective of an observer? Maybe you should "do your research" before you make claims about the American covid experience. "*

You appear very over sensitive Baloney,
The whole paragraph above was a question directed to clinicians looking after deceased people. Nowhere is any "claims" being made. I require further information and thus asking the question to those fellow workers of ours who are dealing with the deceased are best for answering my question.
Everyone here is looking at your words and also of mine and can see clearly there has been no claims made by me in your quoted paragraph.
 

 

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35 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What does this bolded portion mean to you? To me it means that 30% of your population is going to listen to anonymous opinions and pseudoscience on social media and will push against all common sense public health recommendations to mitigate the pandemic, including masks and vaccination.  

If everyone is going to catch the virus wouldn't it be best if they were all vaccinated and less likely to get terribly ill, require treatment or hospitalization?

Thank you for advising what you believe.

I sourced that data from government websites and WHO. I also asked people to check for themselves. I teach my kids "Trust me I am a nurse" on purpose in order to get hem to run a mile when advised such claims from people. I suggest all our learned readers here do the same.
 

A belief is not a fact by the way.

 

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"If everyone is going to catch the virus wouldn't it be best if they were all vaccinated and less likely to get terribly ill, require treatment or hospitalization?"

As a Clinician that does not believe 100% of either side of the story. I investigate as well as I can. After all. I live on a beautiful island. I would love to keep it that way and do the best for my people.
UK & USA are 6x more likely to die from covid than Zimbabwe.

If that happens in Australia whereby we are 6x more likely to die from covid than those in Zimbabwe, then god help us.
Don't shoot the messenger

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I would like to leave you all with the following link.
It shows how people manipulate others.......
Beware of such people, we all should live much happier and healthier lives.
All my best to you in your work.
Kind regards.

https://hellogiggles.com/love-sex/tell-someones-lying-manipulate/

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On 9/18/2021 at 11:08 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

People who have either natural or vaccine mediated immunity are at risk for reinfection or breakthrough infection when the contagion is circulating at pandemic levels.  Everyone will benefit from vaccination boosters until we can achieve herd immunity and decrease the viral load in our shared spaces. 

Would you mind showing you evidence for this statement?

And below here as well ....>
Who is WE?
Since when is anyone here authorised to generalise with such a sweeping statement as WE?

On 9/18/2021 at 11:08 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

We are worried about the unvaccinated because they are vulnerable to long term or serious illness or death...because they are where the variants develop...because their serious illnesses are expensive and testing the ability of our profit centered health system to provide care. We are worried because the unvaccinated are prolonging all of the negative elements of this pandemic.

On 9/18/2021 at 11:08 AM, toomuchbaloney said:

I think there is evidence of pros and cons on both sides of this discussion of vaccinated and unvaccinated, so to draw a line on everyone should vaccinate seems scientifically unresponsible.

Could not agree more. People who are too onesided miss things that are vial to critical thinking. That is what I teach my nursing students every day as well as my colleagues.

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