Voter suppression is UnAmerican and can not be tolerated. Majority Vets get their meds shipped via USPS -60,000/day
Philadelphia Inquirer 8/14/2020
Trump’s assault on Postal Service and voting is a plot against American democracy | Editorial
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On Thursday morning, after months of attacks on the United States Postal Service and vote-by-mail, President Donald Trump admitted that the two efforts are connected as a part of one voter disenfranchisement effort. In a Fox Business Network interview, Trump said that the sticking point for him in the negotiations over a new coronavirus economic relief package is Post Office funding: “If we don’t make a deal, that means they don’t get the money. That means they can’t have universal mail-in voting. They just can’t have it.”
A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted. It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed. In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, fraud can have an impact in close elections, and we have many close elections in this country. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process. Reforms intended to ensure such integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote. Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote.
1,296
Proven instances of voter fraud
1,119
Criminal convictions
48
Civil penalties
95
Diversion program
16
Judicial finding
17
Here’s an analysis of that report, which postulates that the actual incidents of voter fraud is quite low. While everyone agrees it’s not comprehensive, you introduced it, so here we go:
“Voter fraud in all forms is also rare. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, maintains an online database of fraud cases. The database is not a comprehensive roundup but a sampling of proven cases that goes back to 1979.
An analysis of the 1,200 cases in that database by professor Charles Stewart, who runs the MIT Data and Election Science Lab, and National Vote At Home Institute CEO Amber McReynolds found 204 involved absentee ballots. Those led to 143 criminal convictions.
In an opinion piece in The Hill published in April, Stewart and McReynolds write: "One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally. It also means that across the 50 states, there has been an average of three cases per state over the 20-year span. That is just one case per state every six or seven years. We are talking about an occurrence that translates to about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast."”
Forgive me but I'm not about to trust a liberal news rag as a fact checker.
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Anyway, here’s the link to the article in the hill. Here are the bios of the authors:
Amber McReynolds is CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute. She formerly was the director of elections for Denver, where she helped to design and implement Colorado’s vote-at-home system. Follow her on Twitter @AmberMcReynolds.
Charles Stewart III is the Kenan Sahin Distinguished Professor of Political Science at MIT, the director of the MIT Election Data and Science Lab, and co-director of the Caltech/MIT Voting Technology Project. Follow him on Twitter @cstewartiii.
“A factual search reveals The Hill has not failed any fact checks. However, it should be noted that they have rushed to publish breaking news that needed to be corrected or removed in the past. The Hill has also published editorial commentary that has been labeled conspiratorial by other sources, however, this columnist is no longer with the paper.
Overall, we rate The Hill Least Biased based on editorial positions that are currently balanced and news reporting that is low biased. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting, rather than High, due to previous opinion columns promoting unproven claims. (5/18/2016) Updated (D. Van Zandt 04/23/2020)“
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I'm glad they were caught and charged with election fraud.
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N.J. Election Fraud Case Suggests Safeguards Are Working
... "There is a huge myth about voter fraud in this country," said Jesse Burns, executive director of the League of Women Voters of New Jersey.
When voters cast a ballot in person in New Jersey, they are required to sign a poll book to match their signature to election records. The same is true of mail-in ballots, and election officials check the ballot to make sure the signatures match.
During the state's primary on July 7, election officials will notify voters if their ballot was rejected because of a signature mismatch. Burns said it was not only a way for voters to ensure their vote is counted, but it also functions as a warning that another person may have attempted to vote fraudulently in their name.
The security measures used in New Jersey were likely enough to raise the suspicion of authorities. "Even on this small scale, what you see is that having a conspiracy like this to try to affect the outcome of an election is very difficult to do without detection."
Burns suggested the rare instances of election fraud are not typically committed by individual voters themselves but rather organized groups.
"This is not a voter fraud issue," she said. "It's crimes being committed against voters."...
Do you folks even read what your going to post? Look who sponsored the research and website:
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The mission of The Heritage Foundation is to formulate and promote conservative public policies
I thought nurses were educated to at least evaluate the source of research. Look, if I am reading research sponsored by Hostess Twinkies, somewhere the findings are going to be in favor of me buying and eating more Twinkies.
Do you folks even read what your going to post? Look who sponsored the research and website:
I thought nurses were educated to at least evaluate the source of research. Look, if I am reading research sponsored by Hostess Twinkees, somewhere the findings are going to be in favor of me buying and eating more Twinkies.
So the Philadelphia Inquirer which was used as a reference for this thread is a non biased source....puh lease.....put your critical thinking cap back on and try again.
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Voter suppression is UnAmerican and can not be tolerated. Majority Vets get their meds shipped via USPS -60,000/day
Philadelphia Inquirer 8/14/2020
Trump’s assault on Postal Service and voting is a plot against American democracy | Editorial
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Overall, we rate the Heritage Foundation Right Biased based on conservative policy positions as well as funding from right leaning organizations. We also rate them Mixed for factual reporting due to promoting misleading claims regarding global warming and the health dangers associated with tobacco...
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10 hours ago, emtb2rn said:
I will cede you that point. However, you still will not address how mandatory mail in voting will cause fraud. You just keep saying it without building an actual case.
So I don’t think the issue is mandatory mandatory vs in person voting. I don’t want to force people who really don’t care about COVID exposure to vote by mail. The issue is that due to Trump dismantling the USPS, the reduction of hours, the reduction of mail sorters etc., that those of us who wish to vote by mail are forced to feel that our votes won’t be counted because the mail may not get it there in time.....and THAT is an issue. If anything the USPS should have just been left alone and business as usual until next year so that the votes world be sure to be counted.
A Sampling of Recent Election Fraud Cases from Across the United States
The Heritage Foundation’s Election Fraud Database presents a sampling of recent proven instances of election fraud from across the country. This database is not an exhaustive or comprehensive list. It does not capture all cases and certainly does not capture reported instances that are not investigated or prosecuted. It is intended to demonstrate the vulnerabilities in the election system and the many ways in which fraud is committed. In addition to diluting the votes of legitimate voters, fraud can have an impact in close elections, and we have many close elections in this country. Preventing, deterring, and prosecuting election fraud is essential to protecting the integrity of our voting process. Reforms intended to ensure such integrity do not disenfranchise voters and, in fact, protect their right to vote. Winning elections leads to political power and the incentives to take advantage of security vulnerabilities are great, so it is important that we take reasonable steps to make it hard to cheat, while making it easy for legitimate voters to vote.
1,296
Proven instances of voter fraud
1,119
Criminal convictions
48
Civil penalties
95
Diversion program
16
Judicial finding
17
According to Heritage, of the 1100 convictions for voter fraud only 143 involved mail-in voting, the rest were in-person voting, that's about one case of mail-in voter fraud about every 7 years in each state.
According to the Trump administration's Department of Homeland Security, a mail-in-voting-only system is the most secure way to hold elections, which is why DHS specifically recognized Colorado in 2018 as being the most secure system specifically due to the safeguards inherent in a mail-in-only voting system.
Trump's campaign is currently in court arguing that fraud is common in Pennsylvania's mail-in system, although when the Judge asked for examples the Campaign's legal team admitted they didn't know of a single example. Not a one.
I'm all for a fair election by ensuring that the results aren't manipulated, although between mail-in voting and interfering with people's access to voting it doesn't appear it's mail-in voting that's the most likely cause of a rigged election.
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4 hours ago, londonflo said:
Do you folks even read what your going to post? Look who sponsored the research and website:
I thought nurses were educated to at least evaluate the source of research. Look, if I am reading research sponsored by Hostess Twinkies, somewhere the findings are going to be in favor of me buying and eating more Twinkies.
This should not be a partisan issue. I don’t understand why you have a problem with an organization studying voter fraud. What do you have against democracy?
WOW!, aren't you smug. The only"conspiracy theory" is that Trump is somehow screwing with the post office. The post office has been having troubles for years. The Post Office is the only government agency that is supposed to make a profit by design to be self supporting. But the Postal Union has priced themselves right out of business and now they want the taxpayers to bail them out. You don't know me and I don't live in fear. But it must be miserable for you to live in ignorance. But then again, I guess if you are ignorant you don't realize it. I hope you find some truth, but I doubt you'd recognize it smacked you in the face. But you know what fear looks like? People driving in their cars with the windows rolled up wearing masks. Or people sitting on their front porches or mowing their lawns with masks on -that is what fear looks like.
Why do you ignore the requirement for the USPS to fund billions in retirement for workers who haven’t even been hired yet? No company can stay solvent under that kind of burden. It’s a classic case of regulatory capture by private shipping companies to get the USPS out of the market. This has already been posted in this thread - by herring, I believe - complete with sources. Why are you pretending it didn’t happen?
emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B
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Here’s an analysis of that report, which postulates that the actual incidents of voter fraud is quite low. While everyone agrees it’s not comprehensive, you introduced it, so here we go:
“Voter fraud in all forms is also rare. The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, maintains an online database of fraud cases. The database is not a comprehensive roundup but a sampling of proven cases that goes back to 1979.
An analysis of the 1,200 cases in that database by professor Charles Stewart, who runs the MIT Data and Election Science Lab, and National Vote At Home Institute CEO Amber McReynolds found 204 involved absentee ballots. Those led to 143 criminal convictions.
In an opinion piece in The Hill published in April, Stewart and McReynolds write: "One hundred forty-three cases of fraud using mailed ballots over the course of 20 years comes out to seven to eight cases per year, nationally. It also means that across the 50 states, there has been an average of three cases per state over the 20-year span. That is just one case per state every six or seven years. We are talking about an occurrence that translates to about 0.00006 percent of total votes cast."”
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/08/15/fact-check-nj-ballot-fraud-case-doesnt-signal-national-trouble/5493078002/