This was interesting in the news today...

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https://www.npr.org/2023/02/16/1157480905/spain-menstrual-leave-teen-abortion-trans-laws

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The abortion law builds on legislation passed in 2010 that represented a major shift for a traditionally Catholic country, transforming Spain into one of the most progressive countries in Europe on reproductive rights. Spain's constitutional court last week rejected a challenge by the right-wing Popular Party against allowing abortions in the first 14 weeks of pregnancy.

The debate will be heated in Spain, I imagine, as the conservative opposition pushes back. My daughter had horrible menstrual pain during her adolescence and young adulthood.  I'm certain that she would have benefitted from that time. 

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This is just gross. The CDC is giving money to Danish researchers to do a blind study in Guinea-Bissau to determine optimal timing of Hep B vaccines. This means they are intentionally leaving newborns unprotected in an area that has a Hep B rate of 1 in 5. Hep B is easily transmitted, and can lead to liver failure and cancer. 

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/childhood-vaccines/CDC-awards-16-million-hepatitis-b-vaccine-study-controversial-danish-researchers

They can't do this study in the US because no review board would allow this. RFK jr is search of any study that will prove his goof-ball vaccine theories. 

 

nursej22 said:

I didn't realize that your standard for unacceptable treatment was that it had to be widespread. So a little abuse is acceptable? How much? Withholding medications from say, 10% of the population? Only a couple of people in "the box" at Alligator Alcatraz is fine, as long as it's not everyone? 

No, that's not what I said.  In fact, I explicitly said mistakes that have happened are not acceptable. 

But I don't believe the relatively few mistakes that have happened equate to ICE detention centers being torture chambers or concentration camps as you and @GrumpyRN have claimed.  I've simply invited you both to try and show us that they are with some facts.  Neither of you has even made a feeble attempt to do so.

nursej22 said:

Who would be assessing for overcrowding, denying rights and due process and cruelty? Are you relying on self-reports by the staff? 

Well, who are you getting your assessments from that lead you to your belief that detainees are being tortured?

For my part, I did just yesterday mention the Congresswoman who visited supposedly one of the worst centers.  She hasn't had much to say about. Others have visited too.  I havent heard much from any of them except for some non-specific complaints and the usual rhetoric.

 

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Beerman said:

No, that's not what I said.  In fact, I explicitly said mistakes that have happened are not acceptable. 

But I don't believe the relatively few mistakes that have happened equate to ICE detention centers being torture chambers or concentration camps as you and @GrumpyRN have claimed.  I've simply invited you both to try and show us that they are with some facts.  Neither of you has even made a feeble attempt to do so.

Well, who are you getting your assessments from that lead you to your belief that detainees are being tortured?

For my part, I did just yesterday mention the Congresswoman who visited supposedly one of the worst centers.  She hasn't had much to say about. Others have visited too.  I havent heard much from any of them except for some non-specific complaints and the usual rhetoric.

 

Several advocacy groups have spoken out, such as ACLU and Amnesty International. Unforturnately, they are anecdotal, based on accounts from detainees or their lawyers.

I don't know why Rep. Tlaib hasn't given a report on her visit, although Homeland Security issued a report attacking her. Now that the courts have blocked rules restricting oversight by congresspersons, perhaps we'll get some clear and concise information. 

I do wish you would stop moving the goalposts from showing you facts, to demonstrating wide spread abuse, then back to credible reports. 

https://www.nprillinois.org/illinois/2025-11-06/judge-orders-ice-to-clean-up-conditions-in-broadview-facility-thats-become-a-prison

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2025/12/09/amnesty-international-report-alleges-torture-at-alligator-alcatraz/87692697007/

https://www.kxxv.com/news/texas-news/migrants-held-at-fort-bliss-suffering-physical-abuse-unsafe-conditions-human-rights-groups-claim

 

nursej22 said:

Several advocacy groups have spoken out, such as ACLU and Amnesty International. Unforturnately, they are anecdotal, based on accounts from detainees or their lawyers.

I don't know why Rep. Tlaib hasn't given a report on her visit, although Homeland Security issued a report attacking her. Now that the courts have blocked rules restricting oversight by congresspersons, perhaps we'll get some clear and concise information. 

I do wish you would stop moving the goalposts from showing you facts, to demonstrating wide spread abuse, then back to credible reports. 

https://www.nprillinois.org/illinois/2025-11-06/judge-orders-ice-to-clean-up-conditions-in-broadview-facility-thats-become-a-prison

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/local/2025/12/09/amnesty-international-report-alleges-torture-at-alligator-alcatraz/87692697007/

https://www.kxxv.com/news/texas-news/migrants-held-at-fort-bliss-suffering-physical-abuse-unsafe-conditions-human-rights-groups-claim

 

As I suspected, your claims are based on a handful of anecdotes.  I haven't moved the goalposts.  I've been well aware of the outlier anecdotes.   I've consistently asked for facts showing that the outliers are more then that.  And have seen nothing from you or anywhere else.

I guess we just have different ideas of what one means when the claim is made that immigration detention centers are torture chambers or concentration camps.

As for Tlaib, perhaps she has nothing to report because what she does have doesnt fit the narrative she would like to put out there?

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Beerman said:

As for Tlaib, perhaps she has nothing to report because what she does have doesnt fit the narrative she would like to put out there?

You can speculate all you want about Tlaib's actions. I don't know that much about her. She is not my representative, but she has been reelected by her constituents so it would seem they approve of her.

nursej22 said:

You can speculate all you want about Tlaib's actions. I don't know that much about her. She is not my representative, but she has been reelected by her constituents so it would seem they approve of her.

Yes, I can speculate.  And using logic and reason I do and am often correct.

You're not shy about speculating:

"If these sites are so benign, why does ICE and DHS resist legal visits by US representatives? "

That doesn't seem to have much legs though, does it?

Obviously,  she was re-elected so many do approve of her.  I'm not clear on why that's relevant.  

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DC police chief resigns after investigation reveals she manipulated crime stats to make it seem crime was not as bad as it really was. Maybe she was trying to pad the numbers to keep Trump out. Good thing he went in and cleaned it up, hopefully it will stay that way. 
 

"The investigation into Smith uncovered systemic abuse of criminal reporting practices within the department. The Oversight Committee stated that: 

"Testimony revealed that Chief Smith prioritized lowering publicly reported crime numbers over reducing actual crime, placing intense pressure on district commanders to produce low crime statistics by any means necessary. Commanders also testified that Chief Smith pushed for more frequent use of lesser, intermediate charges—which are not publicly reported—and required certain crimes to be reviewed by her office, actions that together amounted to manipulating crime data to present the illusion of lower crime in the District.”

The most disturbing part of this IMO is her ridiculous outgoing speech ....

"Smith launched into a self-censored tirade against her critics, stating: ““So I'm going to the Bible when I say this to my haters: F you.””

There is of course nothing even close to this statement in the Bible!!

If she is this incompetent and confused it is probably good for DC that she is not longer police chief. Hopefully the new one wants to rid the area of crime for real, not just on the (fake) books. 


 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/josephchalfant/2025/12/19/to-my-haters-f-you-dei-police-chiefs-cries-in-fiery-but-peaceful-resignation-n2668228

 

 

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Another person who entered illegally under the Biden admin crashed his tour bus into a big rig causing a chain reaction pile up that killed the driver of the big rig and injured others. This illegal alien was released by the Biden admin and was able to obtain a commercial drivers license in NY bc they gave him fake documents including a Social Security card (obviously fake I am assuming since you need a birth certificate to get a SS card, at least last time I checked, but who knows maybe Biden changed that too).  He also could not speak English which of course makes it all the more unsafe to be driving around (obviously). 

Good thing the Trump admin is working on the problem of thousands of illegals driving around in these killing machines who should have never been able to obtain these licenses. 


https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/tour-bus-driver-charged-in-fatal-wreck-entered-us-illegally-and-was-still-issued-nys-license-feds/ar-AA1SxIt1
 

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Daisy4RN said:

Another person who entered illegally under the Biden admin crashed his tour bus into a big rig causing a chain reaction pile up that killed the driver of the big rig and injured others. This illegal alien was released by the Biden admin and was able to obtain a commercial drivers license in NY bc they gave him fake documents including a Social Security card (obviously fake I am assuming since you need a birth certificate to get a SS card, at least last time I checked, but who knows maybe Biden changed that too).  He also could not speak English which of course makes it all the more unsafe to be driving around (obviously). 

Good thing the Trump admin is working on the problem of thousands of illegals driving around in these killing machines who should have never been able to obtain these licenses. 


https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/tour-bus-driver-charged-in-fatal-wreck-entered-us-illegally-and-was-still-issued-nys-license-feds/ar-AA1SxIt1
 

Just curious, does America not require people to pass driving tests?

In the UK;

If you have your Category B (Car licence), are over 18 years old and are passed medically fit then that is the base requirement to begin bus training. 

To become a coach or a bus driver you will need to gain the Category D PCV licence and the Driver Certificate of Professional Competence (CPC). 

To drive a lorry(truck) you require an HGV;

https://www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/what-you-need/lgv-hgv-licences-explained/

This is a genuine question, because the way the report is worded it means anyone can just up and drive buses and lorry's with no extra training.

GrumpyRN said:

Just curious, does America not require people to pass driving tests?

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In New York, all first time applicants for a commercial driver's license are required to complete Entry-level Driver Training.

GrumpyRN said:

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This is a genuine question, because the way the report is worded it means anyone can just up and drive buses and lorry's with no extra training.

Yes, the article was quite vague on how Mr. Yisong was able to obtain his license.  However, when this was included, and not challenged, I take most, if not all, of the article with a grain of salt.

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The feds said Yisong admitted to US Border Patrol agents that he had entered the States illegally, but was released with work papers and a Social Security card — which allowed him to get a NYS commercial driver's license earlier this year [emphasis added].

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GrumpyRN said:

This is a genuine question, because the way the report is worded it means anyone can just up and drive buses and lorry's with no extra training.

Yes training is needed. The problem is that different states have different requirements for issuing CDL's, including whether or not they can speak and read English. Some of the foreign drivers who have caused these deadly accidents were not able to pass a basic English test. Also, the training can significantly vary depending on state as well as the actual driving/skills test to obtain the license. 

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chare said:

In New York, all first time applicants for a commercial driver's license are required to complete Entry-level Driver Training.

Yes, the article was quite vague on how Mr. Yisong was able to obtain his license.  However, when this was included, and not challenged, I take most, if not all, of the article with a grain of salt.

 

I agree about the vagueness of the article. Whether or not New York is a "sanctuary state" has nothing to do with issuing a license. It also seems fishy that law enforcement is conducting English proficiency exams at the scene of an accident. 

 

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